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Bill: Termination of Pregnancy Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social-Liberal Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2083
Description[?]:
| Women may terminate an unwanted pregnancy within the first trimester for the children of rape victims, with a major risk for a (hereditary or transferable) disease. If a woman is seeking an abortion for medical reasons (medical emergency) the pregnancy may be terminated in the 24th week at the latest. Under the Termination of Pregnancy Act, a pregnancy may only be terminated in a hospital or clinic which is licensed for this purpose. Any decision to terminate a pregnancy is to be given careful consideration. If the parent[s] are incapable of raising the child, the option should be given to let the child come to full term and adopt it out. No-one is under any obligation to assist in performing an abortion. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortions are only allowed in medical emergencies.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:33:42, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Social-Liberal Party | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | Wel call upon the powers that be to be responsible and support this bill! |
| Date | 13:52:18, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | No abortion is murder, and even if the other parties do not think so the second trimester is far too late on in pregnancies to allow an abortion. If the child is "unwanted" (a word which suggests the liberal attitudes of people whose lack of any form of deciency lets them deny any form of responsibility) the woman in question can put the baby up for adoption after birth, instead of greedily denying 'its' life. Thousands of Beluzians unable to give birth, stand amazed at this hideous slaughter of innocent children, when they would be able to provide the child with a caring and loving home. |
| Date | 14:25:53, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Free Beluzians | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | While the motivations behind this bill may be lauded, the bill itself... I, and my party, will never vote for a bill that legalizes abortion after the first trimester, and depending on the wording of the bill, is still undecided on first trimester abortions. |
| Date | 17:49:50, July 14, 2005 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | Terminate the abortionists! |
| Date | 20:09:39, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | Actually abortion if performed before the mid of the second trimester is not murder. This is due to the fact that brain waves do not start until this point and, as such the foetus may be considered a growth that feeds from the 'mother'. As such before that point it is little more than a tumour. Would you have this debate about removing a cancerous growth? I think not. Moreover, if we are to talk about murder then surely we should stop using antibiotics for do they not 'murder' bacteria? However, we cannot support this bill as it allows for abortion into the seond trimester. |
| Date | 21:48:57, July 14, 2005 CET | From | Social-Liberal Party | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | I thank the NMrP rep for the explanation given, and appeal to the Free Beluzians to state the conditions under which they will allow first trimester abortions. If these conditions are reasonable (that is to say, if they represent real progress compared to the current situation) then we will amend our bill accordingly. If this is not the case then we will bring this bill to vote and let the Belusian electorate decide who is in the right on this contentious topic at the next election. |
| Date | 00:11:48, July 15, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | "Moreover, if we are to talk about murder then surely we should stop using antibiotics for do they not 'murder' bacteria?" - murder specifically relates to the killing of humans so don't try that one. "Would you have this debate about removing a cancerous growth?" - give me a break; what is the correlation between something that is full of all the things that make us human and a sporadic growth of cells. The cancerous tumour will not in a few days develope into a human so it is a stupid argument. And how can you believe that 6 months these cells are just that and nothing of any consequences that can be done away with at anytime but a moment latter these self-same cells become something that has full rights as a human being. Life BEGINS at conception. I believe this because if left the zygote WILL become a foetus then a baby then an adult; so to interupt its growth is murder. Actually come to think of it as you are all doing this we could have arrested for attempting to provoke murder.....hmmmm |
| Date | 00:55:42, July 15, 2005 CET | From | Free Beluzians | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | I think that the PAAL representative is out of line with his last comment. SLP - The conditions under which that we would allow first trimester abortions would be if the parents are incapable of raising the child (We would first ask if they would prefer let the child come to full term, then adopt him out), the children of rape victims, or if the family has a history of, or the parents currently have, a major hereditary disease. We also support emergency abortions if at any time the mother's life becomes threatened due to carrying the child. |
| Date | 00:59:01, July 15, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | What line? |
| Date | 00:59:12, July 15, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | :-) |
| Date | 04:01:50, July 15, 2005 CET | From | Beluzian Labor Party | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | Labor believes that the current system is adequate, and supports no further widening of eligibility for abortions. |
| Date | 21:46:42, July 15, 2005 CET | From | Social-Liberal Party | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | I have amended the proposal to conform with Free Beluzian demands, although I have left room for abortion in case of transferable diseases (such as AIDS) which can be equally devestating. I have also used the more appropriate "high risk" which encompasses both family history and other potential sources of knowledge about the health of the future child. Can this proposal carry your agreement? |
| Date | 20:37:13, July 16, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | One random point for the legislature to be widened is this: what happens if the person was raped as the FBP said. Or on another random issue what about if the couple did indeed use contraception but that contraception was at fault? What about those with an already large family who do not wish for another child? Accidents do happen to the best of people whether we like to admit or not. And actually the zygote will not always develop into a living breathing person, ever heard of miscarriages? |
| Date | 20:37:48, July 16, 2005 CET | From | Neo-Marxist revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | The proposal has our agreement. |
| Date | 23:19:30, July 16, 2005 CET | From | Partisans And Artisans League | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | Yes but but in cases of abortion there is a 100% chance the baby inside the womb will not develope however where abortion is not concerned there is a (I dunno) 5%(?) chance it won't develope. No idea about miscarriage figures but it is still the same argument. |
| Date | 10:37:57, July 19, 2005 CET | From | Social-Liberal Party | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | No response from Free Beluzians, unfortunately, so I shall bring this up to vote. |
| Date | 11:06:02, July 19, 2005 CET | From | Free Beluzians | To | Debating the Termination of Pregnancy Act |
| Message | The Free Beluzians feel that this is a first step towards a more 'rational' approach to abortion rights. ((OOC: Sorry for not replying, connection to the 'net is sporadic and I couldn't get to particracy for a couple days)) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 146 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 90 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 38 |
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