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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of April 2342
Details
Submitted by[?]: Elite Sinn Fein
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2342
Description[?]:
| Time to get the orange out of the cabinet. |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the President chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the 
National Party of Baltusia
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Paraplu party
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Paraplu party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Elite Sinn Fein
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Elite Sinn Fein
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Progressive Conservative Party
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Elite Sinn Fein
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Progressive Conservative Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Elite Sinn Fein
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the National Party of Baltusia
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Progressive Conservative Party
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Progressive Conservative Party
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:07:19, January 10, 2007 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 2342 |
| Message | Although I have started to get closer to the Orange Party, I understand that seeing they are now the Opposition, the party with the most seats should have the choice. However, I favor the Orange Party and the NSF |
| Date | 05:08:28, January 10, 2007 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 2342 |
| Message | However, next cabinet proposal, give seats to the BPA and Orange and NOT Paraplu party. They haven't shown their true colors yet. |
| Date | 05:10:52, January 10, 2007 CET | From | Elite Sinn Fein | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 2342 |
| Message | Paraplu, Idonea, Liberal, and Sinn Fein, in the other Cabinet proposal, orange refused to give any one of us power within the cabinet, except one. And it was the liberal party and he did not give them any major postions. And, even though I don't offer major positions for Idonea and Paraplu(they don't have large amount of senators), I at least gave them positions. Since orange and the BPA feel the need to oppress the other minority parties in this manner, I feel that shows that they are not worthy of any cabinet positions. I remember that orange wanted to form a coalition against Liberalism, I think it is time Liam gets a taste of his own cruelty, for, the very parties he has oppressed(whether forming coalition governments against them or recently refusing giving cabinet postions to them) now have chance to band together and form a majority government at this time. And I say take it. |
| Date | 05:59:22, January 10, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 2342 |
| Message | "I understand that seeing they are now the Opposition," Correction: As of the time of writing, everyone but the BPA and the OP are still the opposition. Soon, the Libs will join us in government. Your status as opposition is not defined by the number of seats you have. Your status is defined by whether you hold any cabinet portfolios or not. "the party with the most seats should have the choice." If this were truly the case, then shouldn't the law be changed to reflect that? "And it was the liberal party and he did not give them any major postions." There is clearly a chain of command present. As the largest party, we assume the most important portfolios, particularly as we have held them for generations. The BPA, as our loyal sidekicks (although not ideologically), take second place. The Libs, as newcomers to our side of things, take last place. If they can serve as long as the BPA, then things may well change. "I remember that orange wanted to form a coalition against Liberalism, " We *did* form a coalition against the Liberals for chopping and changing their endorsement without informing the parties in question, amongst other things. Get your facts straight. We also formed a coalition against the BPA during the Crimson Entente ordeal when they were the new bitch party sometime around the 2070s (?). In fact, we've formed several coalitions against the BPA and, as their crimes were far more obvious than those of the Liberalism Party ("re-education" camps, for instance), there was no need to explicitly state it. Things change. Its been about a century since the Anti-Liberalism Coalition passed. Let's not get bogged down in history. "I think it is time Liam gets a taste of his own cruelty," OOC: Puh-leeze. This a game. Get over it. "Paraplu, Idonea, Liberal, and Sinn Fein, in the other Cabinet proposal, orange refused to give any one of us power within the cabinet, except one." You seem to have a tiny problem understanding something. Cabinet is not a club where you invite in every party that shows up. Cabinets are an assumption of responsibility and power that need only rest with a majority of seats, preferably with parties that have shown that they are capable of existing for a lengthy period of time and running the nation with some sort of declared ideology. "for, the very parties he has oppressed" Oppression? How did we oppress anyone? Be more careful when you throw around terms like that. That is, you should actually have some meaning and purpose behind it, not just rhetoic. "whether forming coalition governments against them or recently refusing giving cabinet postions to them" See above. You want to give power to a party that thinks that its easy to confuse a woman's uretha with her vagina and a party who thinks that chimps are humans? Well, perhaps for your party the latter case is applicable... "now have chance to band together and form a majority government at this time. And I say take it." Well, you do but if the Liberal Party continue to vote yes on this proposition and it passes, then their portfolios simply go to the ISP, whom we've formed government with before and, if they will think back, won the July 2208 Praetorial elections expressly with our help. |
| Date | 06:14:44, January 10, 2007 CET | From | Elite Sinn Fein | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 2342 |
| Message | "And it was the liberal party and he did not give them any major postions." There is clearly a chain of command present. As the largest party, we assume the most important portfolios, particularly as we have held them for generations. The BPA, as our loyal sidekicks (although not ideologically), take second place. The Libs, as newcomers to our side of things, take last place. If they can serve as long as the BPA, then things may well change." Correction, you are the second largest party, I owned you in the senate elections. So, by your logic, you will have no problem with me assuming which portfolios I have and whether or not I should give them up to the smaller parties. ""whether forming coalition governments against them or recently refusing giving cabinet postions to them" See above. You want to give power to a party that thinks that its easy to confuse a woman's uretha with her vagina and a party who thinks that chimps are humans? Well, perhaps for your party the latter case is applicable..." Well. considering that the people elected my party the largest in the senate, either people want chimps to have the same rights as humans, or they think your logic is worse than mine. |
| Date | 15:39:21, January 10, 2007 CET | From | Baltusian Pantian Alliance | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 2342 |
| Message | It is best to hold your toungue for in an election or to these words shall probably choke you monisuer Fein. And dont think u know more about opposing the orange party then the Pantians do many generations of hateful words have been shared. |
| Date | 21:29:25, January 10, 2007 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 2342 |
| Message | I know have come to see that although the NSF Party has a plurity of seats, he dosn't have the office of Praetor. Had the NSF actually won the office, then my vote would be different |
| Date | 21:34:05, January 10, 2007 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 2342 |
| Message | I am sorry if this upsets anyone, however, as I have said before, the person with the experience should have the job. The Orange Party has dedicated itself to the development of Baltusia, while the NSF Party has too shown it is ready to improve our nation, a party that has just been in 3 elections should have many portfolios. If this was 20 years later than you would certainly deserve the positions. I am tempted to vote yes, but I will vote no. The Orange Party and I may disagree on the issues but we both believe in preserving Baltusia. |
| Date | 23:23:55, January 10, 2007 CET | From | Elite Sinn Fein | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 2342 |
| Message | Thats it then, I have no positions within the cabinet. I may be in the lead by one seat but I'm in the lead no less, and yet, I can't pull one seat in the cabinet. And the liberal party. Why? I can understand if you oppose my proposals, yet you vote for Liam's cabinet when he leave's out the majority party from the cabinet? Thats unheard of. The majority party should get a plurity of seats. |
| Date | 04:55:33, January 11, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 2342 |
| Message | "Correction, you are the second largest party," We meant largest party in the cabinet. "Well. considering that the people elected my party the largest in the senate, either people want chimps to have the same rights as humans, or they think your logic is worse than mine." We agree with the Pantians. You words are probably going to come back and bite you. That said, when you lose eight HoS elections in over two centuries (the first of which was overturned in less than two years through some politicking), then come and talk to us about "own"-age. "I may be in the lead by one seat but I'm in the lead no less, and yet, I can't pull one seat in the cabinet. " Sucks balls doesn't it? "the majority party from the cabinet" You're not the majority party. You are the largest party. There is unimaginably huge difference between the two. Further, the problem with trying to be so damn inclusive is that everyone gets something but no one really gets anything. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 38 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 54 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 8 |
| Random fact: It is forbidden to impersonate a player or Moderator. |
| Random quote: "Men's natures are alike, it is their habits that carry them far apart." - Confucius |