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Bill: Orange Act XX
Details
Submitted by[?]: Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2354
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Curfew policy (curfew time to be determined in the bill description).
Old value:: The national government may impose curfews, but only if a state of emergency has been declared.
Current: No curfew policies may be established.
Proposed: No curfew policies may be established.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Eminent Domain.
Old value:: The government may not seize private property.
Current: The government may seize private property for vital government works and for corporate use.
Proposed: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government agricultural and farming subsidies policy.
Old value:: Agricultural crops which are considered beneficial to the enviroment or to the continued ecological safety of the state are subsidized.
Current: The government subsidises the operations of low-income farming families.
Proposed: The government denies subsidy assistance to farmers.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change
The government's policy regarding foreign marriages.
Old value:: Only foreign marriages that comply with domestic policy regarding marriage are recognised.
Current: All foreign marriages are recognised, regardless of domestic policy regarding marriage.
Proposed: No foreign marriages are recognised.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards the cloning of human beings.
Old value:: Research in cloning technologies is legal, but regulated.
Current: Research in cloning technologies is not regulated.
Proposed: Research in cloning technologies is not regulated.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Current: There is a compulsory private pension system.
Proposed: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Secondary strike action.
Old value:: Any trade union can go on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers.
Current: Only closely related trade unions can walk out on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers.
Proposed: Secondary strike action is illegal. Workers and unions can only go on strike for their own pay and conditions.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change Sale of tobacco products.
Old value:: There are no regulations on the sale of tobacco.
Current: There are no regulations on the sale of tobacco.
Proposed: Only adults may purchase tobacco.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:56:15, February 04, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | Why lump together so many proposals? there are some articles of that that i can agree with, however, it is spoiled by the other articles alongside it. If there were several smaller bills, then some of them would pass. |
| Date | 03:59:43, February 04, 2007 CET | From |  Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | Why do we people always seem to assume that we don't know what we're doing? |
| Date | 04:18:02, February 04, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | Trade unionism and the peoples right to struggle for their own, and their fellows, rights and liberties is a basic human right! |
| Date | 02:34:22, February 05, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | "Trade unionism and the peoples right to struggle for their own...rights and liberties is a basic human right!" Who said anything about taking it away? Focus on the issues at hand instead of making them up. Granted, that is a socialist specialty. |
| Date | 03:38:57, February 05, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | "Proposed: Secondary strike action is illegal. Workers and unions can only go on strike for their own pay and conditions" OP- "Who said anything about taking it away? Focus on the issues at hand instead of making them up" You are taking the right of people to struggle for their fellows conditions. |
| Date | 04:07:20, February 06, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | "You are taking the right of people to struggle for their fellows conditions." That's not a right. That's union fatcattery. The labour market needs a balance of power between unions and employers. The current law upsets the balance that was previously established. |
| Date | 04:29:55, February 06, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | How is that not right? the bill plainly says that secondary strikes are illegal. This takes the right to support your fellow Baltusians away. |
| Date | 14:49:30, February 06, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | "How is that not right?" How is secondary strike action a right? The burden of proof is upon you to show that it is in a fact a human right. Just saying "that's a right" to everything devalues the whole concept. Anyway, here's a scenario for you: brick-layers go on strike for a 50% pay rise. Employers reject it. Other unions join them. Employers cave. Victory? I think not. The strike action spreads to other industries. Everyone gets a 50% pay rise. Then, what? Inflation. Cost of goods not only rises to meet the extra costs of paying people more but since there's more money about, its worth less. Cost of living increase exponentially and the poor that you claim to aid are actually considerably worse off. Brilliant economic leadership you've shown. |
| Date | 01:45:43, February 07, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | If the money for the rise comes out of the profits of the corporation and the pockets of the upper management, there wouldnt be more money aroun d, and no inflation |
| Date | 02:05:21, February 07, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | "If the money for the rise comes out of the profits of the corporation and the pockets of the upper management, there wouldnt be more money aroun d, and no inflation" But you admit that corporations are profit-generating monsters (to paraphrase), therefore, they would seek ways to generate more profit/minimise their losses, whether it be by laying off a thousand workers to working harder to improve the bottom line. In either case, there's going to be more money around and inflation will kick in. Regardless, you have failed to explain how secondary strike action is a right and not a privledge of a socialist society that's thrown reality out the window. What about the hard working proletariat who have shares in big corporations (because not everyone relies on the government to provide for them - some people show initiative)? Aren't you penalising them by lumping them in with the phantom "bourgeoisie"? |
| Date | 02:38:29, February 07, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | If you have capital, and can invest it, your obviously not proletariat then. |
| Date | 10:21:11, February 07, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | "If you have capital, and can invest it, your obviously not proletariat then." So if you save money that you've rightfully earned and invest it and you're not proletariat, who is this noble people that you're defending? The stupid? The lazy? Those who lack initiative? |
| Date | 10:21:50, February 07, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Orange Act XX |
| Message | And how is secondary strike action a right again? Hmmm? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 47 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 101 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 42 |
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