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Bill: Indictment of Revolutionary Democratic Socialists for Crimes Against Baltusia and Humanity
Details
Submitted by[?]: Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2357
Description[?]:
| Noting: *The Revolutionary Democratic Socialists are the most popular and decidedly evil socialist movement to ever come to power, moreso than the Revolutionary Socialist Party. The names are similar. Coincidence? We think not. *The Revolutionary Democratic Socialists support the dilution of human rights by declaring rights whenever they declare it so (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=1004880, contradicting our great constitution's Bill of Rights (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=11998). *The Revolutionary Democratic Socialists are itching to go to war in order to spread their communist dogma overseas. Why else would they propose that the telephone network be nationalised for our military? There's certainly no logical reason for it (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=100351). *The Revolutionary Democratic Socialists wish to impoverish every Baltusian by forcing them to suffer through renewable energies when it is well known that any large base load must be surported by a large scale source of electricity. Nuclear has been that source for centuries and the RDS wish to force us back to a time of barbarism (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=100629). *The Revolutionary Democratic Socialists wish to allow Deltaria, Dundorf and their host of horrifically ugly allies to rape our nation by ending our proud tradition of defence through the Nuclear Corps Baltusia. (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=100186). *The Revolutionary Democratic Socialists support the continued poverty of third world nations by insisting upon free trade barriers, such as subsidies for our overly rich farmers. Do they care about proletariat? It seems they are merely using them for their own political and power-hungry gain (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=100628). *The Revolutionary Democratic Socialists have called children running paper routes "a sign of a backwards and harsh society". Does this delusion sound like it should come from a leading party? (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=100350) *The Revolutionary Democratic Socialists wish to enforce their definition of truth on the great people of Baltusia. I expect they think that freedom of the market is not a right and that is fact, contrary to our constitution (right XIX). This is a part of their greater plan to censor all political debate contrary to the party line (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=100168). No doubt this will further extend to a revision of our nation's history (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=101066). *The RDS insists on inflationary economic policies which will ultimately lead to huge levels of unemployment and hurt the very people they try to protect (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=100167 and http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=100624). *The Revolutionary Democratic Socialists consist of Dundorfian and Deltarian spies who wish to turn our nation into a sex toy for the two aforementioned states. We will soon be nothing more than an extension of their empires . *The socialist influence on the cabinet should be minimised to the role of chairperson. *The five parties form the most sensible majority of the available parties. Whereas: *Many of the proposed cabinet parties do indeed ideologically stand for the above political atrocities, they do not exploit the poor, downtrodden proletariat to justify their greedy lust for power and political control as a means of spreading their corrupt, slanderous and filthy lies across the world in order to dominate it. The parties that vote in favour hereby agree with the above statement and resolve that the RDS are: *Evil and *Should be stopped immeditaely before they sell us out to the highest bidder., |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the The Syndicate chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Baltusian Pantian Alliance
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Progressive Conservative Party
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Baltusian Pantian Alliance
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Elite Sinn Fein
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the 
Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the National Party of Baltusia
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the National Party of Baltusia
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the National Party of Baltusia
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the National Party of Baltusia
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:01:16, February 08, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Indictment of Revolutionary Democratic Socialists for Crimes Against Baltusia and Humanity |
| Message | This is a travesty of justice and democracy. The Orange Party having held the balence of power for three hundred years is desperately trying to not let it escape from their grasp! WE call on all parties to see thisselfish attempt at power grasping for what it is, undemocratic. |
| Date | 08:33:33, February 08, 2007 CET | From | National Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Indictment of Revolutionary Democratic Socialists for Crimes Against Baltusia and Humanity |
| Message | We abstain for the moment. |
| Date | 09:33:01, February 08, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Indictment of Revolutionary Democratic Socialists for Crimes Against Baltusia and Humanity |
| Message | Firstly, to imply that we are have commited crimes in any way, shape or form against the people of Baltusia or Humanity, is slanderous and offensive. If any crimes against humanity can be proven, we will gladly withdraw from the cabinet, and call new elections. It is offensive to the people of baltusia that the Orange Party beleives that such a low attempt could be beleived by the people. "The Revolutionary Democratic Socialists support the dilution of human rights by declaring rights whenever they declare it so..." Here the Orange Party refers to our protection of the right for one to struggle for a better life in strike action, but they ignore the Bill Of Rights: freedom of assembley, freedom of speech, freedom from slavery, freedom from being exploited. They Allege that we "Itch to go to war" in order to spread our "communist dogma". As justification for this they quote our nationalisation of the phone system. Our first and formost reason for thia was to ensure a good and affordable system for the people of Baltusia. If you beleive, like the Orange Party, that our people deserve anything other than the best, then you shame this country. We made no claims that paper routes were "backwards", but laws that allow children to be exploited for hard labour is. there is no need for any child under the age of 14 to ever work, and those over 14 are legally adults. They say that having compassion is not the sign of a leader party, but condemning this nations childeren and future to backbreaking labour makes us sick. I quote the Orange Party, "I expect they think ..". The fact is that they have no idea what is going on. Their whole opposition is based around their geussing what we may or may not be thinking; and then if we are thinking that, then we may try something? The orange party is confused. All they know is they have been removed from power, and that they are too decadent, and too self absorbed to see the real needs of the people. In the paragraph i quoted they refer to the bill we put forward limiting Media to only PUBLISHING TRUTHFUL AND GROUNDED INFORMATION. Clearly this is something they fear, because they have no basis for what they have said. They say we will cause unemployment, but our only intention will ever be to give people a voice in their economy, and ensure that no people in our nation are hurt and left victim to the system we put in place. To say we are foreign agents, is riddiculous. That as a dishonest as saying that the Orange Party havent been a force in the past. Thankfully, the end of this force may be in sight. |
| Date | 14:02:55, February 08, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Indictment of Revolutionary Democratic Socialists for Crimes Against Baltusia and Humanity |
| Message | "The Orange Party having held the balence of power for three hundred years is desperately trying to not let it escape from their grasp!" Yeah, two elections in three hundred years is really cause for us to panic. You do overrate yourself. We believe this to be a honeymoon period. Then again, we did expect this. On the other hand, at least we know we're driven by power. You pretend that you look out for the proletariat to justify your rise to power. "WE call on all parties to see thisselfish attempt at power grasping for what it is, undemocratic." So by trying to create a cabinet amongst democratically elected parties in a democratically elected legislature is somehow undemocratic to you? You really do live with your heads in the clouds. "is slanderous and offensive." Is diddums offended by my freedom of speech? The socialist oppression has begun! Take note all! "If any crimes against humanity can be proven" Feel free to prove us wrong. At the moment, consensus seems split. "Here the Orange Party refers to our protection of the right for one to struggle for a better life in strike action, but they ignore the Bill Of Rights: freedom of assembley, freedom of speech, freedom from slavery, freedom from being exploited." There's a legal difference between a bunch of people getting together and discussing labour laws and going on strike. There's also a difference between being voluntarily employed and being enslaved and exploited. Really, you do exaggerate. "Our first and formost reason for thia was to ensure a good and affordable system for the people of Baltusia." But you hid behind the military, which belies your intial plans. When you realised that this wouldn't go down well, you used your typical prole-exploitation to cover your fumble. "that our people deserve anything other than the best, then you shame this country. " Yes, by voting for this bill, people will get the best by denying the RDS further access to the cabinet. "this nations childeren and future to backbreaking labour makes us sick." Children performing backbreaking labour is ciminalised by the additional regulations. Labour, by definition, is working for pay, therefore by criminalising child labour, you criminalise paper routes, the backbone of the child economy. That is, unless you support children doing work for no pay, which goes by a much more succinct and ugly term: slavery. "The fact is that they have no idea what is going on." That's objectively untrue. That's why we cited references. Have you got any to back up what you're saying? After all, you seem incapable of repelling our perfectly reasonable arguments as presented in the cited bills: What is your definition of truth? How secondary strike action illegal? Why do you want children not to get paid for doing simple children's work? Why must we forgo our nuclear power industry when it is the backbone of our industrial infrastructure? We merely join the dots. "All they know is they have been removed from power, and that they are too decadent, and too self absorbed to see the real needs of the people." Then why is it that along with your party, we also experienced a jump in popularity? Do you now deny the democratic right of the people unless they tow the party line? So we can conlcude that your party supports slavery and is anti-democratic from these statements. "PUBLISHING TRUTHFUL AND GROUNDED INFORMATION" What is truthful and grounded information? If I wanted to publish that secondary strike action is not a right, is that untrue? What if I pulish that democratic workers councils will hurt the economy? Can I not publish that too? What if I write a fiction novel, can I get that published? "Clearly this is something they fear, because they have no basis for what they have said. " Wehn you can capably respond to the above questions, then we may reconsider but it is not enough to claim that the media should only publish the truth without actually quantifying what the truth should be. "our only intention will ever be to give people a voice in their economy, and ensure that no people in our nation are hurt and left victim to the system we put in place." People do have a say in their economy. As consumers and as employees people are free to make choices that they otherwise wouldn't be able to under a command economy. People will be victims of your plans to nationalise industry as they lose these choices. "To say we are foreign agents, is riddiculous." Well Im sure you won't mind providing proof to the contrary. |
| Date | 14:05:14, February 08, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Indictment of Revolutionary Democratic Socialists for Crimes Against Baltusia and Humanity |
| Message | "How secondary strike action illegal" That should read "How is secondary strike action a right?" "So we can conlcude that your party supports slavery and is anti-democratic from these statements." Read: "So we can conlcude that your party is against free speech, supports slavery and is anti-democratic from these statements." |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 108 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 82 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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