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Bill: Criminal Termination Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Progressive Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2085
Description[?]:
| Regarding the death penalty. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Current: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Proposed: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:40:37, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | In these instances guilt can be proved beyond doubt. Also it is nearly impossible to redeem fanatics as they are by nature fanaticaly obsessed with what they belive to be a 'good' act. |
| Date | 05:45:16, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | Guilt cannot be more proven with some kinds of crime than other; it can be better proven with specific cases across the legal range. We cannot and will not condone barbarity in the legal system. |
| Date | 05:47:02, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | Seeing as these people have gone out of their way to limit the rights of others i see no reason not to limit their right to live. |
| Date | 05:52:14, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | DS: Think of the country as a healthy organism(assuming we are doing our job correctly) there is always going to be bad cells cancers if you will unto the entire system we do our best to avoid them but sometimes we must remove the corrupt cells from the system. if we do not the problem can and will eventually spread. We see this as keeping our country a healthy environment and this is not barbaric it is purifying our system so that we are left with a cleaner more just society. |
| Date | 05:53:28, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | DS: death is not a barbarity merely the elimination of unreformable fanatics that strive to destroy our society. |
| Date | 05:54:32, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | DS: Think of the country as a healthy organism(assuming we are doing our job correctly) there is always going to be bad cells cancers if you will unto the entire system we do our best to avoid them but sometimes we must remove the corrupt cells from the system. if we do not the problem can and will eventually spread. We see this as keeping our country a healthy environment and this is not barbaric it is purifying our system so that we are left with a cleaner more just society. |
| Date | 05:58:40, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | as such counteractive to the livelyhood of our people. Also terrorism, treason, and crimes against mankind cannot be easily hidden, by virtue of the fact that a) terrorists enjoy pronouncing their 'noble' actions. b) treason is NEVER unnoticed. c. Crimes against humanity are very vast in nature. (unless the LLP wishes to argue that the RW definiton does not apply in this game) |
| Date | 07:57:01, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | If we destroy the people who hate us, then we are no better than the people who wish to destroy us. Other parties may lower themselves to that level if they wish; we shall not. It is never right for a state to execute one of its own. The state exists to protect citizens, not to attack them. Our very existence is predicated upon doing what is right, not what is vengeful, what is cruel, and what is inhuman. If a person has committed a terrible crime, they will spend the rest of their lives in confinement. That is just. If they kill others, and we then move to kill them for that, we become them. We will not. |
| Date | 08:27:21, July 21, 2005 CET | From |  Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | Agree with DS. |
| Date | 08:31:14, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | And Prog Cons, *nothing* from the RW applies in PT. You know why? Because PT world is a separate and entirely fictional world to RW. If something in PT and RW just happen to be similar/have a similar meaning then that's a coincidence. Why do you think there's no official Christianity in PT? Because all of the important people, places and things happened in RW, not PT. That's official game creator policy. |
| Date | 10:36:28, July 21, 2005 CET | From | National Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | Although we would have agreed with this in the past, the general law of Baltusia would mean that using the death penalty would be a contradiction totally. Applying the death penalty for anything would need a total reform of political views on justice in Baltusia. |
| Date | 16:49:27, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | Yes and when people find out they can get away with pretty much anything they will i cannot let you condone corruption into our own system as going along with my organism theory you do not keep bacteria in your system just because it wont live without you. |
| Date | 18:52:24, July 21, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | People cannot 'get away with anything' - they simply know that if they commit a crime, instead of being slaughtered they will be imprisoned. |
| Date | 01:10:50, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | Where the rest of society will have to pay with tax dollars to confine that which has acted agianst them. Not only do they act agianst us in their original action but they get to use the peoples money to live the rest of their lives. Why would any citizen want to pay for the life of someone who has acted agianst them as such is stated in the proposal keeping them confined rather then execution is an injustice to the rest of our people and this is a democracy so i weigh the pros of the many vs the cons of a few. |
| Date | 02:51:05, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | "Where the rest of society will have to pay with tax dollars to confine that which has acted agianst them." And legal proceedings in capital crime cases are always free...*rolls eyes* "i weigh the pros of the many vs the cons of a few" Also known as suppression of a minority (in general terms). OOC: THANK YOU for using punctuation. |
| Date | 07:40:37, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | Wiegh how much its going to cost for court proceedings vs how long each convict may live on our money. This is a Democracy giving the majority more rights goes completly agianst being democratic. When minoritys are given powers that the majority doesent the entente happens (makority of views vs the minority of views) and we all know how much you loved that. OOC: Hey im not the english student type buh i try. Also for more on y not letting minorities gain power see the French Revolution and this is OOC so u MAY or may not be unable to bitch about particracy rules im just useing it as a general example here >.>(LLP is like an online Terrence) buh i love ya >.> |
| Date | 10:18:40, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | "Wiegh how much its going to cost for court proceedings vs how long each convict may live on our money." Its usually about a couple of million either way. OOC: I may be talking out my ass here but I believe prisoners can cost around $50K - $100K a year to maintain. Legal proceedings in a capital case involve high-paid lawyers (the type who charge a couple of hundred bucks an hour) working fulltime for a year or two. You do the math. "When minoritys are given powers that the majority doesent " Thats nothing to do with what we said. You said the rights of the majority outweigh those of a minority. That's not right. OOC: Finally, "minorities gain power see the French Revolution", do you mean why not to let the nobility control things despite only being a miniscule minority or are you claiming the French Revolution was instigated by a minority? The French Revolution was instigated by the Third Estate with the assistance of some local church clerics. At that time, the Third Estate constituted 90% of the population. Otherwise, you are quite correct. I have no idea who Terrence is. :-S |
| Date | 10:49:06, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Family First Party | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | You will not have any of the FFP's votes on this one. |
| Date | 21:33:20, July 22, 2005 CET | From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | OOC: ah right then typo error i meant the minority o.O O.o im not that racist... yet. |
| Date | 23:52:41, July 23, 2005 CET | From | Hosengott Nationalists | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | Yes however this way gives our people more closure on the crime that has been commited and also shows other criminals the retribution they will get for their crimes. For some of these people having a bed and being fed regularly may or may not be an upgrade from their current standard of life. |
| Date | 22:28:19, July 25, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Criminal Termination Act |
| Message | "Legal proceedings in a capital case involve high-paid lawyers (the type who charge a couple of hundred bucks an hour) working fulltime for a year or two." we the gov't only pay for poor peoples legal defence, and gov't lawyers are NOT well paid. (60k-120k annum) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 95 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 301 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 24 |
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