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Bill: Separation of HoS and HoG Revised
Details
Submitted by[?]: AM Feminazi Movement
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2366
Description[?]:
| While the LFFR has little or no faith in democracy, we do whoever remain consistent in our desire to separate these positions. We recognise that for most of Likatonia's history these offices have been two seperate identities and this state of affairs has worked well. Recently this proposal failed to gain the necessary 2/3rds 'Yes' votes for the necessary constitutional ammendment, details here http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=102677 . This is the last time the LFFR will raise this proposal for the foreseeable future. From Markus de Kimberly, leader of the LFFR - "The LFFR has attempted in the name of historical precedence twice already to break up this existing position. While there has been an increase in the vote supporting this proposition, the established parties combine to rob the vote of the necessary margin of 2/3rds. We have joined forces with even with liberal/libertarians and other unlikely allies in the past in the name of historical precedence all to no avail. The LFFR wishes to make it clear that this proposal will be supported by us for this final time. If it is not approved by the convocation the LFFR will in future oppose this. We urge moderate elements to examine the last election results where the LFFR candidate almost occupied this office, and there is a very real possibility it may take this next election. Your HoS/HoG could be a Fascist. Do you want this? We will quite happily occupy the top position, at least if you break this up there could be some counterpoise." We would be particularly interested in hearing the position of the new Civil Liberties party in regard to this. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Current: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Proposed: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:44:56, February 20, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Separation of HoS and HoG Revised |
| Message | Well, we would be happy for the fascists, conservative, libertarians or real liberals to occupy the head of state where there is no head of government. To us it is frankly stupid for left-wing to oppose this bill. We should also point out that this is supposed to be a "Republic". And if you look at real republics in the real world such as France, Ireland, Israel, Serbia etc, having two seperate HoS and HoG's is usually the norm. The role of the HoS is usually to protect the constitution, act as Chief of Staff of the armed forces, sign bills passed in government, represent the people of the country on the foreign stage. The HoG should be appointed by the coalition parties as he is the leader of the goverment/parliament. This bill makes better sense and there is a historical aspect to it in Likatonia as our colleagues in government have pointed out. We support, though we don't really care in the Individualists and the Communists (pop libs) veto the motion. They'll be nailing their own coffin for the next election. I'm sure the civil rights movement as an honourable party and a party of principal will support democracy, as this bill strives to do. Alan Reynolds Party Leader. |
| Date | 19:00:13, February 20, 2007 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Separation of HoS and HoG Revised |
| Message | The LITP will vote no, for reasons given previously. OOC: Mr Conservative Liberal party, please seperate your real world and in game views. References in character, to things such as 'the real world', are inconsistent with the RP element of the game. Please, restrict these to OOC comments. Thanks, Manion. |
| Date | 19:50:40, February 20, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Separation of HoS and HoG Revised |
| Message | OOC: Yes, well, when I meant the real world I meant I was being OOC. Just to clear that up. I felt that it's an important reference to make that it is a republican prinicpal in most part to seperate HoS and HoG |
| Date | 09:13:33, February 22, 2007 CET | From | AM Feminazi Movement | To | Debating the Separation of HoS and HoG Revised |
| Message | In the interests of fairness we will not be moving this motion to vote prior to the next election, when the new makeup of the convocation will hopefully be more favourable. We request comment from the following parties specifically: Axis Mundi Revolution Civil Liberties Party. We also call on any parties that may consider changing their votes from the last time this was voted upon. |
| Date | 18:09:36, February 22, 2007 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Separation of HoS and HoG Revised |
| Message | We are in favor of any proposal which dilutes the power of the central government. |
| Date | 02:39:28, February 24, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Separation of HoS and HoG Revised |
| Message | The Axis Mundi Revolution has introduced just such legislation. We endorse the principal of separation of the two offices, if for no other reason than the historical precedent - Likatonia's long and unique history of 'emissaries' and 'advocates'. |
| Date | 13:57:15, February 24, 2007 CET | From | AM Feminazi Movement | To | Debating the Separation of HoS and HoG Revised |
| Message | The LFFR renews its pledge to introduce this proposal regardless of the outcome of the election. |
| Date | 22:43:19, February 25, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Separation of HoS and HoG Revised |
| Message | The effect of this would be to take power out of the hands of the people by making HoS elections meaningless. Before one points out how many countries (OOC: in real life) have a symbolic but elected HoS, we would like to point out that in a large number of those countries only the HoS can propose a cabinet coalition. We need one or the other, as otherwise it will really not matter who wins the HoS election. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 99 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 100 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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