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Bill: Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities
Details
Submitted by[?]: AM Populist Social Democrats
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2365
Description[?]:
| Our budget proposal has basically the same overall spending levels as the previous proposal, but we spend the money on the people and long term growth, such as in science and technology, rather than on the corporate welfare of supporting business. |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 8,468,962 LIK | 1,500,000 LIK | 1,500,000 LIK |
| Foreign Affairs | 2,117,240,580 LIK | 100,000,000 LIK | 100,000,000 LIK |
| Internal Affairs | 7,622,066,087 LIK | 2,800,000,000 LIK | 2,800,000,000 LIK |
| Finance | 4,234,481,159 LIK | 300,000,000 LIK | 300,000,000 LIK |
| Defence | 12,703,443,478 LIK | 7,000,000,000 LIK | 7,000,000,000 LIK |
| Justice | 5,928,273,623 LIK | 2,750,000,000 LIK | 3,000,000,000 LIK |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 9,315,858,550 LIK | 10,000,000,000 LIK | 9,000,000,000 LIK |
| Health and Social Services | 11,856,547,246 LIK | 8,000,000,000 LIK | 11,000,000,000 LIK |
| Education and Culture | 8,468,962,319 LIK | 8,000,000,000 LIK | 12,000,000,000 LIK |
| Science and Technology | 6,775,169,855 LIK | 2,500,000,000 LIK | 4,000,000,000 LIK |
| Food and Agriculture | 5,081,377,391 LIK | 50,000,000 LIK | 50,000,000 LIK |
| Environment and Tourism | 4,657,929,275 LIK | 200,000,000 LIK | 200,000,000 LIK |
| Trade and Industry | 5,919,804,661 LIK | 8,000,000,000 LIK | 400,000,000 LIK |
| Total | 84,689,623,186 LIK | 49,701,500,000 LIK | 49,851,500,000 LIK |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:48:30, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | the dramatic decrease in spending on trade and industry means we simply cannot support. You could have done things differently. |
| Date | 19:55:24, February 23, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | Ending corporate welfare seemed the only way to free up money for the people with no significant overall spending increase. If we could have gained ConLib support by increasing spending overall, paid for by a tax increase, and the price was that we could not cut Trade and Industry, we would have been willing to do so. However, we thought-- possibly mistakenly-- that the ConLibs would have despised that potential budget as much as this one. |
| Date | 19:56:03, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | This is excellent. The PLPL are making a number of friends within the Axis Mundi Revolution at this point. |
| Date | 19:57:39, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | In our opinion - the ridiculous backhander that the Trade and Industry department recently received NEEDED to be undone. We applaud the PLPL for bravely tackling the problem, we applaud their redistribution of wealth to heath, social security and education, and we wish the PLPL great success in this venture. |
| Date | 19:57:48, February 23, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | We believe we will see the AMR as allies as well, and we wish the AMR excellent luck in the upcoming elections. |
| Date | 20:02:55, February 23, 2007 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | The massive decrease in trade and industry, as well as infrastructure, will cripple our economy. |
| Date | 20:06:39, February 23, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | We would hardly call the infrastructure decrease "massive." We believe in large amounts of infrastructure spending, but we feel the ConLib budget overdid it. |
| Date | 20:09:33, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | The PLPL has our appreciation, and our enthusiastic best wishes. The AM RLP has a valid concern, except that our economy wasn't crippled BEFORE this artifical infusion of funds. Indeed - the strength of the Likatonian economy has ALWAYS been The People. Not incentives or backhanders, but a healthy, efficient, eager and educated workforce. Our economy will not suffer for cutting the golden handshake that the Trade and Industry executives have been receiving - it will be invigorated. |
| Date | 20:28:20, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | This country currently has a 4 billion surplus all thanks to inward investment resulting from this the ecnomic policies of this party and the AM Radical Libertarian Party, backed by the Likaton Independent Thought Party, Right Wing Liberals and Likaton Fascist Front Revival. We would concede support to spend this 4 billion surplus in any way the centrist parties see fit. But we ask the parties here to vote against this socialist proposal which is a step backwards. Our economy is starting to turn around for the better. Don't throw it all away is our message to the sensible parties of Likatonia. |
| Date | 20:31:31, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | poplibs: "We would hardly call the infrastructure decrease "massive." Cutting trade and industry spending from 8billion to 400 million, and that's not massive? And these are the parties who want industry to be owned by the state yet they won't invest any money in it? Cutting infrustructure from 10billion to 9billion - 10% reduction!? - |
| Date | 20:34:22, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | The current surplus is almost insulting compared to the surplus that Likatonia enjoyed under the 'flat tax' which the earlier incarnation of the Axis Mundi Revolution managed to impose. Indeed, with our higher tax threshholds, flat taxation, and rational budgeting, we were generating a surplus of 4 billion LIK per year. |
| Date | 21:31:40, February 23, 2007 CET | From | AM Feminazi Movement | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | The LFFR is proud to be the the votes that finally put the nail in the coffin of this rediculous proposal. |
| Date | 22:29:48, February 23, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | Axis Mundi Revolution are saddened to see the LFFR throwing away the hearts and minds of the nation, in exchange for golden handshakes for corporate concerns. |
| Date | 23:52:53, February 23, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | We said the cuts in infrastructure were not massive. The cuts in corporate welfare-- er, trade and industry undoubtedly are massive, and cutting corporate welfare is well deserved. |
| Date | 19:25:02, February 24, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | How do you justify your massive state involvement in industry together with your massive reduction in trade and industry budget from 8 billion to 400million. How is the public sector supposed to provide all these goods and services which you want them to provide through state regulation, if you starve them of money? For us it works both ways. We want this 8 billion to run for a while only as a temporary measure to attract industry into the country. If that require financial incentive or "golden handshakes" as some put it, so be it if these businessmen and women are providing jobs and inward investment. Of course, this innovation probably won't achieve much as the PopLibs lead the riot to turn around the economic achievements of the Conservative Liberals and Radical Libertarians. |
| Date | 20:43:17, February 24, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | Note that our state involvement in industry is nearly all covered in other departments-- education has its own; health and social services has its own; defense has its own. The national post office we would see as part of Internal affairs. the train operating company and mass transit would be in infrastructure and transport. There are exceptions here and there, perhaps, such as the state prostitution monopoly; but we hope to make a profit on that rather than spend money on it. |
| Date | 22:19:01, February 24, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | The PLPL makes two good points: First - that many of the expenditures in our Public sector are covered by 'departmental' budgets, and secondly - that we do not expect to make losses all round. We also have to point out that we find a central flaw in the Conservative Liberal platform - we don't NEED to attract business into the country if we have sufficient effort put into our education and social platforms. Why don't we focus on promoting our internal strengths rather than sending hard earned Likatonian currency into foreign bank accounts, to buy foreigners into jobs that Likatonians could be doing? |
| Date | 22:50:48, February 24, 2007 CET | From | AM Feminazi Movement | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 2364 - Saner priorities |
| Message | "rather than sending hard earned Likatonian currency into foreign bank accounts, to buy foreigners into jobs that Likatonians could be doing?" - Word! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 94 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 105 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: "Jezvraljogadsrlji" means "Social" in the Jelbic languages. |
| Random quote: "The state is nothing but an instrument of oppression of one class by another, no less so in a democratic republic than in a monarchy." - John Smith |