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Bill: No to ID Cards
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2370
Description[?]:
| End this attack on civil liberties. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Current: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.
Proposed: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:22:38, March 06, 2007 CET | From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the No to ID Cards |
| Message | Identity cards are necessery, people should wear them regularly so that police forces can control them if there's need to. Again: We think that everyone should be allowed to live in the country, but the government should be aware of the fact who this people are and what they're planing to do at any time, so that actions against the government can be discovered early enough. We think people should do whatever they want in their private life, but when they're getting into contact with the government, there must be limits to their freedom. |
| Date | 16:43:25, March 06, 2007 CET | From | Christian Democratic Alternative | To | Debating the No to ID Cards |
| Message | I would not put it so bluntly as the previous speaker, but the police should be able to check your identity when you are behaving suspiciously. If people misbehave the police must act against misbehaviour and checking peoples' identity will contribute to the restoration of order. Furthermore ID cards enable the police to identify not only suspects, but witnesses and victims alike. And don't forget their usefulness in finding missing people. Many European countries have ID cards and in most of them showing it to the police when asked is compulsory. In the Netherlands one must show his ID card when asked by the police (since 2005, after the age of 14) and in Belgium it has been compulsory for a longer time. Since 2005 I have never been asked to show my ID card. The rule of thumb is: don't engage in criminal or offensive behaviour, steer clear of riots and the police won't ask for your ID. |
| Date | 20:32:22, March 06, 2007 CET | From | Centrist Party | To | Debating the No to ID Cards |
| Message | ID cards? What is meant by ID cards? Like a drivers license? Or like an ID for ID's sake? I support drivers license but not a simple ID card. |
| Date | 22:44:06, March 06, 2007 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the No to ID Cards |
| Message | It is where the government/state has possession of all of your details, your DNA, fingerprints, address, name, date of birth etc. etc. It is oppressive and it is an infringement of civil liberties, and DOES NOT WORK! The argument for them is to stop terrorists, but if a terrorist can smuggle gunpowder onto a plane, they can forge ID cards. And CDA - the police can check your identity without need for an ID Card. As seen as you have brought up RL issues (which I generally don't like in Particracy), it must be noted that, in the late 90s, the United Kingdom had all of her cows chipped (electronically). During the Foot and Mouth Crisis of 2001, hundreds of thousands of cows were lost!! If governments can't keep track of farm animals, they will hardly be able to keep track of human beings! |
| Date | 23:12:34, March 06, 2007 CET | From | Christian Democratic Alternative | To | Debating the No to ID Cards |
| Message | My ID card only contains my name, photograph, birth date, place of birth and place of residence, and the date on which it has been issued and when it will expire. It contains no biological data, no addresses, no profession and no other data the government doesn't already know. When you take up residence in a town you must register your address. Furthermore European ID cards (which are creditcard-sized) can replace passports (a clumsy booklet) in the EU, which makes that many European citizens from smaller countries already possess one as it eliminates the need for a passport. Furthermore, there are clues that ID cards make finding criminals easier. When ID cards were made compulsory in my country, there was much criticism at first, but it has worn off as crime levels dropped, which ID cards contributed to. I know the UK and the USA don't have ID cards, maybe that makes you a little bit revulsive towards them. On the Continent they have been around much longer, without them infringing on civil liberties. They became compulsory in a lot of countries, but even that didn't infringe on civil liberties. |
| Date | 15:38:03, March 07, 2007 CET | From | Centrist Party | To | Debating the No to ID Cards |
| Message | WOW, close vote. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 63 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 62 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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