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Bill: Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Agenda - Electoral Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2374
Description[?]:
| A few points for discussion: A suggestion that Immeressen's position be concretised and his responsibilities be fully documented. Also, a suggestion that all potential voters be required to be able to verify their 'voter' status. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Current: Only the Head of State can propose a cabinet coalition.
Proposed: Only the Head of State can propose a cabinet coalition.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Current: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Proposed: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Current: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Proposed: All citizens are issued with identity cards and are required to carry them at all times.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:58:47, March 11, 2007 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Agenda - Electoral Reform |
| Message | These policies are difficult to swallow, especially the ID cards. The AMELIP will have to discuss and will respond appropriately at a later time. |
| Date | 04:32:21, March 11, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Agenda - Electoral Reform |
| Message | We will oppose these, particularly a monarchy. There is nothing more elitist (the opposite of populist) than a monarchy, even a symbolic one. |
| Date | 06:53:56, March 11, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Agenda - Electoral Reform |
| Message | The AM SuDP has to point out, nobody suggested a monarchy. A hereditary, symbolic office is not equivalent to monarchic rule. If one looks back over Likatonian history, the Head of State was always symbolic (except during a brief flirtation with Empire, quickly overturned), but we were a free republic. In effect - what our Head of State has historically done, is act as a go-between between officials in Likatonia, and other dignitaries - an olive branch that doesn't have the occifial power of the Head of Government, but also doesn't have the baggage. Kind of... a good will ambassador. The AM SuDP has no more interest in 'monarchy' than the Populists, and - if THAT was what we thought this was about - we would oppose it, too. |
| Date | 09:35:32, March 11, 2007 CET | From | AM Populist Social Democrats | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Agenda - Electoral Reform |
| Message | "The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet." This is a monarchist provision. Separation of HoS from HoG has a separate provision that can be proposed; and knowing now that making the HoS also HoG gives the HoS veto power over cabinets, which was more power than we realized, we now would be willing to accept a compromise of separating an elected HoS from HoG under certain circumstances, such as ditching the idea of radically increasing the number of Convocation seats. We are also willing to consider allowing the HoS to be the only one that can propose a cabinet, if he is elected and separate from HoG. That is how it works in most (OOC: real life) democracies with the HoG not directly elected but the HoS directly elected. We may or may not support that in the end, but we could consider it as a way to maintain some meaning in HoS elections. |
| Date | 11:41:50, March 11, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Agenda - Electoral Reform |
| Message | Again - although monarchies may operate on that scheme, it doesn'r automatically equate that every system operating on that scheme MUST be a monarchy. |
| Date | 11:57:59, March 11, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Agenda - Electoral Reform |
| Message | With reluctance, the AMELIP will support this Bill. In the interests of a stable Likatonia, for a limited time, we will support the compulsory ID cards. Additionally, for stabilities sake, we will support a non-executive Head of State, although we will be reviewing this issue annually, and will look to revoke such an officeif there is any sign of abuse. Whilst the Head of State is non-executive and non-partisan, we accept that they may nominate the Cabinet, whilst the Convocation retains power of ratification. |
| Date | 13:18:09, March 11, 2007 CET | From | AM Feminazi Movement | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Agenda - Electoral Reform |
| Message | Firmly in favour. |
| Date | 21:07:53, March 11, 2007 CET | From | Democratic National Party | To | Debating the Axis Mundi Sturm und Drang Agenda - Electoral Reform |
| Message | The Conservative Liberal Party are democrats. We will be voting against this bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 86 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 113 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Any RP law granting extraordinary "emergency powers" or dictator-like powers to a government must be passed by at least a 2/3rds majority, but (like all RP laws) may always be overturned by a simple majority vote of the legislature. |
| Random quote: "When the tyrant has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and there is nothing to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war or other in order that the people may require a leader." - Plato |