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Bill: National Anthem Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Communist Party of Aldegar
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2381
Description[?]:
| Why should children have to be indoctrinated to love this country's anthem? We don't allow prayers in schools, we shouldn't allow the national anthem either. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Singing the national anthem in schools.
Old value:: Children are not made to sing the national anthem, but are required to show respect when it is played at the commencement of school each day.
Current: Children are not made to sing the national anthem, but are required to show respect when it is played at the commencement of school each day.
Proposed: Children are never made to sing the national anthem.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:52:33, March 28, 2007 CET | From | Independent Right | To | Debating the National Anthem Act |
| Message | The difference, of course, being that prayers indoctrinate them to a particular religion, apart from the State, while the National Anthem instills pride in their country, their homeland. |
| Date | 17:39:12, March 28, 2007 CET | From | Aldegarian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the National Anthem Act |
| Message | It is still allow to sing the song voluntarily this act only protects the poor children from being forced to sing this song. After all why should anyone be indoctrinated with an ideology, nationalism, while we ban religious indoctrination. |
| Date | 21:44:08, March 28, 2007 CET | From | Party of Moderates | To | Debating the National Anthem Act |
| Message | We can't support this. The Marxists are truly earning their name now. |
| Date | 21:44:42, March 28, 2007 CET | From | Party of Moderates | To | Debating the National Anthem Act |
| Message | It is important for children to feel pride within their country. |
| Date | 03:10:57, March 29, 2007 CET | From | Independent Right | To | Debating the National Anthem Act |
| Message | We object to the term "indoctrinated" and "nationalism." But we see nothing wrong with ensuring Aldegar's children have a full appreciation of the greatness of their homeland while in their formative years. It is the nation that provides for them, it is the nation that will be the source of all their successes in their life. It is tangible, it is real. None of those things apply to any religion, but they hold true for Aldegar. |
| Date | 03:14:47, March 29, 2007 CET | From | Party of Moderates | To | Debating the National Anthem Act |
| Message | Yes, doesn't anyone realize how necesary it is for children to develop a sense of nationalism? People must be inspired to give back to the nation, especially when the state gives so much to its people. Gifts must be balanced with responsibilities. |
| Date | 12:57:31, March 29, 2007 CET | From | Communist Party of Aldegar | To | Debating the National Anthem Act |
| Message | Most children nowadays are still brought up within a religion, even if not actively within that faith. Most people nowadays then grow up and become virtual atheists. Wouldn't it be better for nationalists if the anthem was not used in the same way as religion? |
| Date | 18:16:12, March 29, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Freedom Party | To | Debating the National Anthem Act |
| Message | There is nothing wrong with having a little bit of pride and patriotism in your homeland - the land you are privelaged enough to live in, the land you are privelaged enough to serve, the land that has provided a home to you and given you endless opportunities. In fact, the TCP believes that it wouldn't hurt the anti-Aldegarian, unpatriotic, heretics of the MP to sing the anthem once in a while - maybe that would help remind them that if they don't like this country enough to even sing its anthem, there's nothing and nobody stopping them from going to some kind of Stalinist dictatorship where they can have all the nationalization, intervention, manical opression and retardation of individualism that they so desire. |
| Date | 19:02:40, March 29, 2007 CET | From | Communist Party of Aldegar | To | Debating the National Anthem Act |
| Message | The TCP seem to be blinded by childish ideas. Making children sing a song every day won't make them love their country anymore. They will, however, love their country more when it gives working people all of the rights they deserve, ensures equality in society and removes the archaic binds that restrain them into certain roles in life. |
| Date | 05:22:02, March 30, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Freedom Party | To | Debating the National Anthem Act |
| Message | Since when did a Marxist care about rights? |
| Date | 06:59:55, March 30, 2007 CET | From | Party of Moderates | To | Debating the National Anthem Act |
| Message | "Most children nowadays are still brought up within a religion, even if not actively within that faith. Most people nowadays then grow up and become virtual atheists. Wouldn't it be better for nationalists if the anthem was not used in the same way as religion?" You're using a poor example. There are reasons other than simply being brought up with your faith at your side that have encouraged so many people to become atheists. In fact, that isn't even a real reason. People have been brought up in with great influence put upon them by their faith for thousands of years and only now has the number of atheists been so great. The reason is that most people see religion and science as incompatible with each other, and they choose science among the two. So, tell me, how does this example of religion apply to nationalism now? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 317 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 292 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 41 |
| Random fact: "Treaty-locking", or ratifiying treaties that completely or nearly completely forbid any proposals to change laws, is not allowed. Amongst other possible sanctions, Moderation reserves the discretion to delete treaties and/or subject parties to a seat reset if this is necessary in order to reverse a treaty-lock situation. |
| Random quote: "You cannot open a book without learning something." - Confucius |