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Bill: Torture Bill of 2385
Details
Submitted by[?]: Selucian Revolutionary Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2387
Description[?]:
| Sometimes to maintain law one must bend it in the process. We need to give the police full power to keep the Empire free from crime and other illegal activity. It will also be a lesson to future criminals that the Empire is tough on crime. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: It is at the discretion of the police officer to torture suspects for information.
Proposed: It is at the discretion of the police officer to torture suspects for information.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:47:59, April 07, 2007 CET | From | Selucian Progressive Socialist Party | To | Debating the Torture Bill of 2385 |
| Message | This law would be a stain on the Empire. We would be regressing to a barbaric state. Torture is unreliable and violates basic human rights. The SPSP urges all parties to oppose this bill, in the name of law and order (for the state should face law and order as well) and in the name of human rights. |
| Date | 01:11:59, April 08, 2007 CET | From | Selucian Traditionalist Party | To | Debating the Torture Bill of 2385 |
| Message | It is sadly necessary sometimes for a man to be tortured for justice to prevail. I agree with the proposal. |
| Date | 01:18:51, April 08, 2007 CET | From | Selucian Revolutionary Party | To | Debating the Torture Bill of 2385 |
| Message | A "Barbaric" State has no laws or a justice system. The Empire not only has a justice system but it is currently weak, this proposal will toughen it up. If the Officer in charge truely believes that torturing a suspect could lead to him confessing to a crime then it would be wise to support. |
| Date | 01:52:30, April 08, 2007 CET | From | Selucian Progressive Socialist Party | To | Debating the Torture Bill of 2385 |
| Message | You claim the justice system is weak- how would this strengthen it? It would only bloody it. How would allowing the government to violate human rights at it's whims, increase law and order. This also has the ability to bring great shame upon the Empire, when a wrongly accused man is tortured. |
| Date | 16:45:34, April 08, 2007 CET | From | Selucian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Torture Bill of 2385 |
| Message | Keep in mind SPSP, that toruture would be only a tool of last resort, and would only be used on those who have, or could be retaining information that could potentially concern national security. Naturally we would be fairly certain of the person in question is guilty and is willfully retaining information regarding the crime or threat. |
| Date | 21:36:40, April 09, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the Torture Bill of 2385 |
| Message | Not this time my fellow senatores. We are missing specific guidlines and restrictions. To burdon a single police officer will the decission to torture or not can't be a right and wise step under this conditions. |
| Date | 01:53:56, April 10, 2007 CET | From | Selucian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Torture Bill of 2385 |
| Message | Yes, it should not be discretionary. Instead it should be regulated and only under certain circumstances. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 225 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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