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Bill: Torture Bill of 2385

Details

Submitted by[?]: Selucian Revolutionary Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 2387

Description[?]:

Sometimes to maintain law one must bend it in the process. We need to give the police full power to keep the Empire free from crime and other illegal activity. It will also be a lesson to future criminals that the Empire is tough on crime.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date04:47:59, April 07, 2007 CET
FromSelucian Progressive Socialist Party
ToDebating the Torture Bill of 2385
MessageThis law would be a stain on the Empire. We would be regressing to a barbaric state. Torture is unreliable and violates basic human rights.

The SPSP urges all parties to oppose this bill, in the name of law and order (for the state should face law and order as well) and in the name of human rights.

Date01:11:59, April 08, 2007 CET
FromSelucian Traditionalist Party
ToDebating the Torture Bill of 2385
MessageIt is sadly necessary sometimes for a man to be tortured for justice to prevail. I agree with the proposal.

Date01:18:51, April 08, 2007 CET
FromSelucian Revolutionary Party
ToDebating the Torture Bill of 2385
MessageA "Barbaric" State has no laws or a justice system. The Empire not only has a justice system but it is currently weak, this proposal will toughen it up. If the Officer in charge truely believes that torturing a suspect could lead to him confessing to a crime then it would be wise to support.

Date01:52:30, April 08, 2007 CET
FromSelucian Progressive Socialist Party
ToDebating the Torture Bill of 2385
MessageYou claim the justice system is weak- how would this strengthen it? It would only bloody it. How would allowing the government to violate human rights at it's whims, increase law and order.

This also has the ability to bring great shame upon the Empire, when a wrongly accused man is tortured.

Date16:45:34, April 08, 2007 CET
FromSelucian Nationalist Party
ToDebating the Torture Bill of 2385
MessageKeep in mind SPSP, that toruture would be only a tool of last resort, and would only be used on those who have, or could be retaining information that could potentially concern national security. Naturally we would be fairly certain of the person in question is guilty and is willfully retaining information regarding the crime or threat.

Date21:36:40, April 09, 2007 CET
FromImperial Party of Selucian
ToDebating the Torture Bill of 2385
MessageNot this time my fellow senatores.
We are missing specific guidlines and restrictions.
To burdon a single police officer will the decission to torture or not can't be a right and wise step
under this conditions.

Date01:53:56, April 10, 2007 CET
FromSelucian Nationalist Party
ToDebating the Torture Bill of 2385
MessageYes, it should not be discretionary. Instead it should be regulated and only under certain circumstances.

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Voting

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Total Seats: 0

no
    

Total Seats: 225

abstain
 

Total Seats: 0


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