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Bill: Treatment of Prisoners of War
Details
Submitted by[?]: Okono Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2399
Description[?]:
The Okono Party feels that we need to reserve the right to execute prisoners of war in the case of something like Solentia happening again. Since there is no option for the article that allows us just to reserve the right for execution, all signors agree that this will be dealt by a case by case basis during a war even though the article says they will be executed for sure.
I just realized that we're bound to a treaty so instead of the article, I'm asking for withdrawal for this treaty. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:23:58, April 14, 2007 CET |
From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | While we are intrigued, we would like to know.. What would be gained by executing prisoners ? Why would a soldier that surrenders. Who raises the white flag, starts shooting at us, and surrenders to save his life (and consequently make it easier for us to win) be shot for doing so ? |
| Date | 15:11:06, April 15, 2007 CET |
From | Federalists Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | Execution would not be a proper act for a civilized republic, but for an empire thirsting for power, it seems rather appropriate. As long as our current political atmosphere exists, we can support this measure. |
| Date | 17:32:17, April 15, 2007 CET |
From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | If executions where allowed we would first and foremost use it on enemies of State, such as the Federalist Party whom in every possible opportunity act like the despotic republican of Robespierre, and other maniacs of the past. But we are a Civilized nation, with civilized people (the federalist party not included) and i hope that this bill will fail unless there is extremely good motives for letting it pass. And i do not beleive that anyone can justify this bill, but are eager to see how the Okono party does. |
| Date | 17:26:00, April 16, 2007 CET |
From | Federalists Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | Are you threatening us with mass extermination?
And must we really explain the French revolution to you again?? French Republicanism was mob rule, not a democratic form of government. The fact that the leader of the revolution was himself executed proves that question. |
| Date | 21:14:45, April 16, 2007 CET |
From | Okono Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | Execution does save money but that is not the only motive behind this bill. I see the execution of prisoners of war no different than killing them on the battlefield. Sending them back to their government does nothing but possibly allow them to go into battle again.
However, the main reason has nothing to do with political beliefs but an actual theory I have regarding the beliefs of this country. There's an equation to figure out the total number of armed forces we have, using fanatical militarist population as a key component. If we can increase that percentage which is now 9.3%, then we can increase the number of people in our armed forces. I believe that the people's opinions are slightly influenced by the bills we pass. If we can pass this bill, our armed forces may be able to increase. The current population of Wantuni is 141,291,763. 13,140,134 of those people are fanatical militarists. Divide that by 15 and that gives us the total number of people in the service, 876,009. Increasing the fanatical militarist population to 9.4% will give us 10,000 more soldiers in the service (885,428). That doesn't include the number of people in the reserves which would be maybe 8,000 more. It may not look like much but it will help us in the case we get into war with Solentia.
9.3% |
| Date | 02:45:10, April 17, 2007 CET |
From | Okono Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | I believe so but we feel we must still show our strength towards Solentia by taking advantage of revenge. We normally would not support this but 20 million of our people were killed. The least we can do is destroy the Solentian supporters left. |
| Date | 08:01:47, April 17, 2007 CET |
From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | While we agree that the size of the army needs to be expanded, is this really the best way to achieve it ? And ellaborate, you say executions should be judged by a case to case basis. Would that mean such cases such as "For every Wantuni soldier 10 enemy prisoners of war are shot". Or what is it you are after ? |
| Date | 22:00:37, April 17, 2007 CET |
From | Okono Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | Case by case meaning depending on the war. As you obviously don't support this bill, if we would go to war with some country, then we could very well decide what will happen to those soldiers. However let's say we go to war with Solentia. Surely you could support a resolution executing all prisoners of war. |
| Date | 22:08:28, April 17, 2007 CET |
From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | I do not want to start a situation where the enemy rather fight to death, against all odds, clinging on against hopeless numbers. If we make clear that prisoners of war are executed, the incitament to surrender withotu a fight is removed and the war will be to the last man and much greater brutality will be on both sides. What we do onto them they will do onto us. Solentia has changed, but can very well change back again. And if they invade we will put up a policy then, pending how they conduct the war. That is my view at the moment, but as said, feel free to change my mind with good arguments. |
| Date | 20:58:12, April 20, 2007 CET |
From | Okono Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | I understand what you mean, but I still feel that this could increase the size of our army. Like I said before, this is done using a case by case basis so what you say will not always be the case. |
| Date | 20:56:14, April 26, 2007 CET |
From | Okono Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | Sorry, I've been problems accessing this site lately.
As for legal criteria, we feel obviously that any war with Solentia or Deltaria would count. Actions done against our civilians or our allies' civilians would also be counted. |
| Date | 20:01:56, May 02, 2007 CET |
From | Okono Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | Actually forget this bill unless the civilian thing is a good enough motivator. My reasoning is our current idea of peace with Solentia which seems like a reality so far. |
| Date | 22:39:26, May 03, 2007 CET |
From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Treatment of Prisoners of War | | Message | We think the discussions are needed more to formulate our own policy. But we do however agree that WE, and We alone should decide what happends to our enemies. So if our fellow parties wishes to have a yes on this vote, we will follow. |
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