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Bill: Space for all.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Adam Smith Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2087
Description[?]:
| Based on the obvious and immediate principle that our government does not have jurisdiction in space, we propose that we the attempts by the government to control this area by licensing companies in this field be removed. Companies based in other nations, which do not require such licensing will be able to use space as they see fit. All we achieve by requiring licensing is to give advantages to other regions in space exploration. The normal health and safety at work regulations would still apply so there is no risk to our citizens in removing this administrative and bureaucratic requirement. Space is to be defined as any region outside of this planet's (as yet unnamed) atmosphere. Atmosphere is to be defined as the presence of gas up to and including 0.1 Atmospheres. All citizens of Lodamun are to be provided with the same level of diplomatic protection when travelling in space as they would be if travelling in any other region outside of the national limits of Lodamun. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards space exploration.
Old value:: The government shall issue permits to private space-exploration companies.
Current: The government shall operate a space agency that contracts with and oversees private space-exploration companies.
Proposed: Space exploration and use shall be totally unregulated.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:09:36, July 28, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | I looked at the last bill on this proposal. are you willing to compromise this time by including a clause against space weapons? |
| Date | 01:35:46, July 28, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | "All citizens of Lodamun are to be provided with the same level of diplomatic protection when travelling in space as they would be if travelling in any other region outside of the national limits of Lodamun." Would apply to that, we believe. While we do not plan on bringing (Lodamun government) weapons to space, we cannot attempt to police an international area such as the outer atmosphere. However we would take diplomatic or other action against those who use space for aggression. |
| Date | 02:12:03, July 28, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | What private company could benefit by developing space weapons? Only those that develop these for nations that wish to buy and use them. Ypour concerns would be best addressed at an international conference on this issue, looking to obtain a mutual disarmament of space by ALL nations. If that is not obtainable, then do you really suggest that we should not be able to defend ourselves if attacked in space. |
| Date | 02:18:33, July 28, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | We propose: (Any attack on Lodamun citizens while in international territory shall be answered with diplomatic and trade discussions, sanctions, and other actions. Should those fail, war shall be used as a last resort.) So that it is known that we do not approve of aggressive actions in space. As there is no legitimate(legal) profit motive, it is our belief that private companies and individuals will not bring weapons to space. (A company will probably require employees in space to be disarmed for safety reasons.). Any that do bring weapons to this domain can be considered to be pirates and would not submit to a permit anyway. |
| Date | 15:16:38, July 28, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | We probably need some kind of policy ststement concerning our response to aggression toward our citizens in foreign otr international territory. As MLP is currently the Foreign minister it would seem to be something to ask them to do. |
| Date | 20:42:47, July 28, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | I believe that the lack of such a policy may be the reason for some of the opposition to this bill. |
| Date | 02:26:01, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | Put to vote. If the MLP comes in to the office, could they draft something about the response to aggression in international territories, please? |
| Date | 04:20:27, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | "I looked at the last bill on this proposal. are you willing to compromise this time by including a clause against space weapons?" So you are not willing to vote in favor, even though this has been debated and included? |
| Date | 16:51:26, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | Where? This is the bill i see: "Based on the obvious and immediate principle that our government does not have jurisdiction in space, we propose that we the attempts by the government to control this area by licensing companies in this field be removed. Companies based in other nations, which do not require such licensing will be able to use space as they see fit. All we achieve by requiring licensing is to give advantages to other regions in space exploration. The normal health and safety at work regulations would still apply so there is no risk to our citizens in removing this administrative and bureaucratic requirement. Space is to be defined as any region outside of this planet's (as yet unnamed) atmosphere. Atmosphere is to be defined as the presence of gas up to and including 0.1 Atmospheres. All citizens of Lodamun are to be provided with the same level of diplomatic protection when travelling in space as they would be if travelling in any other region outside of the national limits of Lodamun." There is no reference to keeping weapons out of space in the bill. Where has it been included? |
| Date | 17:25:45, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | ""The normal health and safety at work regulations would still apply so there is no risk to our citizens in removing this administrative and bureaucratic requirement. ... All citizens of Lodamun are to be provided with the same level of diplomatic protection when travelling in space as they would be if travelling in any other region outside of the national limits of Lodamun." There is no reference to keeping weapons out of space in the bill. Where has it been included?" Weapons, that we can control, are not banned from space, per se. However, there is no private motive for bringing weapons to space. Any that exists would be for the sake of piracy-like-activities. (Which we cant stop anyway). What we do say by this bill is that the Lodamun government wont bring weapons to space, however this means that we cannot police space either! We can, however, take action once the people return to Terra. That is what this bill promises to do. Our citizens are not allowed to initiate aggression while traveling in international territory, neither are citizens of other nations allowed to initiate aggression against our citizens. We say in this bill that we would take action if either of the last two situations occur. |
| Date | 17:30:26, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | Fine. The Greens asked for a clause. It was not granted. Therefore we are voting against. Don't accuse us of being unwilling to compromise. |
| Date | 17:35:24, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | here's a compromise offer in fact: vote for the bill against weaponization of space i'm putting up now, and i will vote for this. |
| Date | 17:36:39, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | er...ok We cannot promise to keep weapons out of space, unless we promise to police space. We cant exactly promise to police space without bringing weapons there. We have chosen not to police space. |
| Date | 17:59:11, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | I understand that position. TIC posted: "So you are not willing to vote in favor, even though this has been debated and included?" We have now established that it was not included, and that TIC will not support it being included. Please withdraws the suggestion you made, that our concerns have been or will ever be included in this bill. |
| Date | 18:23:20, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Space for all. |
| Message | Fine. We assumed that your concerns would be included with the bill in its current state. It is our position that the government may either keep its own weapons out of space, or else police space to make sure that no other parties bring any. Apparently your party would prefer that the police and military set up in space and enforce a weapons ban. Our option involves action on the ground intstead. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 186 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 148 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 116 |
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