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Bill: Allegiance Choice Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Somasi Nationalist Party (SNP)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2394
Description[?]:
| A bill to prohibit the requirement of singing of the national anthem in schools. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Singing the national anthem in schools.
Old value:: Children are only made to sing the national anthem on special occasions.
Current: Children are not made to sing the national anthem, but are required to show respect when it is played at the commencement of school each day.
Proposed: Children are never made to sing the national anthem.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:06:25, April 22, 2007 CET | From | Somasi Nationalist Party (SNP) | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | The SNP sponsors this bill so that citizens of Aldegar - esp. children - are not required to sing the national anthem if they have reservations regarding reciting its content. |
| Date | 08:40:05, April 22, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Liberty Party | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | The ALP will support this bill because, to be blunt, our national anthem sucks and we wouldn't want to inflict singing it upon anyone. |
| Date | 10:20:55, April 22, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Freedom Party | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | The TCP is shocked and appalled by this bill, and cannot understand that any party calling themselves 'Nationalists' could ever even humour the thought of making the national anthem non-compulsory. The TCP can never support a bill of this description. What's next, getting rid of the flag because some people find our nation's values 'offensive' and they are therefore offended when they see the flag? This is propostorous, this bill shocks the TCP to its very core. |
| Date | 18:46:18, April 22, 2007 CET | From | Party of Moderates | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | We agree with the TCP on this issue. Children aren't smart or old enough to be allowed to have opinions or reservations over things anyway. |
| Date | 05:27:45, April 23, 2007 CET | From | Left Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | The LLP will support this bill as well. |
| Date | 07:56:08, April 23, 2007 CET | From | Somasi Nationalist Party (SNP) | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | Responding to the moderate party's objections, children may not understand the nature of the national anthem, but their parents will. If a parent doesn't want their child reciting the national anthem, are their hands tied by a government which forces recitement much like the many totalitarian regimes of the world? |
| Date | 09:41:05, April 23, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Freedom Party | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | In response to the SNP's last querie to the PM, the TCP poses a querie of our own: If, as the SNP say, 'a parent doesn't wan their children reciting the national anthem', then what on earth are they still doing in this country? Simply put, the TCP cannot imagine a scenario in which any citizen of this country who actually likes this country and its values and wants to remain living here could POSSIBLY have something against their children singing its national anthem; a short, two to three minute tokin of appreciation for their privelage of living here. Therefore, as the TCP can safely state that the afore mentioned hypothetical situation is bizarre and highly unlikely, is the TCP to assume that the parents rejecting the national anthem that the SNP speak of are rejecting the anthem because they reject our values and our way of life also? If they don't like this country, or our values, and are even unwilling to partake in a short hommage to this nation - a sentiment that simply shows one's gratitude to the country they are privelaged to live in - then, to be blunt, what on earth are they still doing in this country? The TCP cannot imagine why, if someone hates this nation so much that they cannot even bare to sing a few words to a tune, even if it means nothing to them, they would remain in this country for a second longer. As the TCP have said countless, countless times before in instances when other parties have taken it upon themselves to single handedly spit on the fabric of the very nation they are supposed to represent politically: singing an anthem in the mornings at school or simply having to refrain from any burning of our national symbol and icon is, by no means, totalitarian. Such an excuse will NEVER seem legitimate in the TCP's books. It's not totalitarian - it's proud, it's respectful, it's dutiful, and it's patriotic. Anyone who thinks singing an anthem is totalitarian should quite simply be considered guilty of treason. |
| Date | 23:26:02, April 23, 2007 CET | From | Party of Moderates | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | We agree almost completely with the TCP. We disagree with only the last sentence. Charging someone with an actual crime, especially one as serious as treason, is intolerable for so slight an attack upon society. A small fine is more preferable. |
| Date | 23:37:07, April 23, 2007 CET | From | Somasi Nationalist Party (SNP) | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | We disagree completely. There should be no punishment for failure to recite the national anthem. I would hope to think that our society has not become that Orwellian. |
| Date | 09:45:21, April 24, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Freedom Party | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | The TCP was using the example of charging for treason as a figure of speech - we did not wish to advocate the ACTUAL punishment of someone considered to be committing acts of treason under the justice system; we were simply trying to prove a point, and that is that the TCP can see no reason why refusing to sing your nation's national anthem is not treason. Of course punishing someone to the same extent that one would punish treason for not singing the anthem is quite bizarre - the TCP wishes to clarify that this is not what we were advocating at all. |
| Date | 09:53:34, April 24, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Freedom Party | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | The TCP is also completely at odds as to why the ALP, whose decisions and opinions we usually hold in the highest respect, have voted yes on this bill. This seems devoid of logic and we thought the ALP would vote no - liberty is something we all love (well, except some parties in this nation but let's not get into that), but liberty comes with responsibilities and obligations. For example, the privelage to live in a country with liberty as rich and extensive as ours comes with the obligation to pay hommage to that country. If you do not pay hommage, then essentially, through the transative property, you are saying you'd prefer to live in a country without liberty. Liberty does not mean your right to do whatever you want, liberty isn't your right to dishonour this country by refusing to sing its anthem. Liberty is a privelage that has been given to you by this country, and for a party who uses the phrase' Liberty' in their name, the TCP thought the ALP would appreciate this sentiment. As for the other parties who have voted yes, whilst the TCP didn't expect any different, we are still officially appalled by the lack of pride, patriotism, and tradition that the parties in question have revealed. The TCP knows for a fact that the people of this nation do not echo the appalling, un-Aldegarian opinions displayed by these parties - the people of this country are not yet devoid of sentiment, devoid of pride, and the TCP will make sure to keep it that way. |
| Date | 00:42:20, April 25, 2007 CET | From | Party of Moderates | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | This is a sad day for Aldegarian patriots. |
| Date | 04:49:14, April 25, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Liberty Party | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | Liberty is never a privilege, it’s one of our most sacred rights and must be defended as such. |
| Date | 05:56:29, April 25, 2007 CET | From | Party of Moderates | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | Playing some music every day is not a matter of liberty. It does not deprive someone of liberty. If such acts did deprive a person of liberty, then every form of noise that we hear deprives us of liberty just as much. What shall we do? Outlaw noise-making? It's preposterous to liken a few jingles to a deprivation of liberty. |
| Date | 08:19:40, April 25, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Freedom Party | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | This is ludicrous. This is absolutely propostorous. The TCP does not even want to be associated with a group of parties who won't even stand for this nation's own national anthem. The people of this great nation would be absolutely appalled. |
| Date | 08:19:52, April 25, 2007 CET | From | Aldegar Liberty Party | To | Debating the Allegiance Choice Act |
| Message | Don't misrepresent my position or the position of this bill; I would gladly support a bill calling for the playing of the national anthem and mandating respect during that period. Students would obviously have the option to sing along if they felt so compelled or not as they believe and support. But forcing them to sing the anthem, which is what we’re removing with this act is clearly just as much a violation of free speech as not allowing them to sing at all. In liberty lies choice, not force. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 459 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 191 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: All role-play must respect the established cultural background in Culturally Protected nations. |
| Random quote: "A lie told often enough becomes the truth." - Vladimir Lenin |