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Bill: National Reformations
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2395
Description[?]:
| A series of severl legislations to reform the nation. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Old value:: The government does not supply free or discounted contraceptives.
Current: The government subsidises a considerable discount for contraceptives.
Proposed: The government offers free contraceptives in pharmacies and public toilets.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change National, cultural and historic sites and monuments.
Old value:: The state does not undertake any action towards the protection of cultural and historical heritage.
Current: The state actively protects scenery, localities, cultural, and historical sites; it maintains an agency to preserve them untouched if public interest so requires.
Proposed: The state actively protects scenery, localities, cultural, and historical sites; it maintains an agency to preserve them untouched if public interest so requires.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The research and development of pharmaceutical drugs.
Old value:: The government neither subsidizes research and development of drugs nor regulates their prices.
Current: The government subsidizes research and development of prescription drugs and regulates their prices.
Proposed: The government subsidizes research and development of prescription drugs and regulates their prices.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning immigration.
Old value:: Everyone is allowed to reside permanently in this nation.
Current: Quotas are based on individual applicant's qualifications.
Proposed: Quotas are based on individual applicant's qualifications.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the funding of libraries.
Old value:: Books may only be obtained through private dealers.
Current: Funding and operation of libraries is left entirely to local governments.
Proposed: The national government provides local governments with funding to operate libraries.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Slander laws.
Old value:: The nation has no laws regarding slander.
Current: Individuals may sue over falsehoods and defamatory opinions spoken about them, if judged to be malicious.
Proposed: Individuals may sue over malicious falsehoods spoken about them.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Current: The government allows all arms to be exported freely.
Proposed: The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:27:28, April 27, 2007 CET | From | Cildanian Socialist Party | To | Debating the National Reformations |
| Message | we dont like 6, but will vote yes |
| Date | 09:46:47, April 27, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the National Reformations |
| Message | Oh this is all so lovely, so how do you plan to pay for all of that? No right, I know, stupid question. Just like with every other half-witted social program proposed, you assume the citizens will happily cannibalize each other as the nation inevitably collapses in on itself, not unlike every other damn forced socialist program or society ever divised in history ever, ever. They should make reality in drug form; some of these socialists need an elephant-sized dose of the stuff. |
| Date | 03:49:10, April 28, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party | To | Debating the National Reformations |
| Message | If you are going to debate nonsensically, then we won't even bother engaging in discussion. If you are going to debate with respect and curteousy in the highest legislative body in the nation, we'd be more than willing to partake. However, it would seem that is beyond your capability. |
| Date | 05:25:56, April 28, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the National Reformations |
| Message | First, the only nonsense here is your bill. Second, you NEVER bother engaging in discussion. We've posed dozens of challenges to your proposals historically and almost all are ignored or dismissed. Such tactics may be smart for you to avoid the recognition that you don't know what you're talking about, but it is extremely rude to the rest of us, and it is wearing thin. But please forgive our lack of courtesy anyway. Ours is the righteous fire of the voices of Cildania that decry the injustice that you continue to rain upon them. In magic land where cheap drugs and free books fall from the sky, you are welcome to enact whatever social paradise you can think up, but down here on our planet these things cost money. When you make a law saying something is free or cheaper, you also make a law that forces someone to pay for that, and we both know you plan to dig into the citizens wallets again and again behind their backs. It is extortion on a massive scale to 'improve' the lives of people that neither cannot afford it nor do not want it. Hopefully you can understand that no matter how noble your intentions, when you try to turn the highest legislative body in the nation into your own mafia syndicate, 'courtesy' from your victims tends to go out the window. |
| Date | 15:56:51, April 28, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party | To | Debating the National Reformations |
| Message | We don't respond to your debates because there's no point discussing legislations with anarchist madmen. We also don't respond to your debates because they make absolutely no sense and it would be a waste of our time speaking to a politically incorrect party of complete fools. You would be doing the Senate a favor by ceasing your useless speeches and perhaps even ceasing your party's existence here. Then Cildania would rejoice, most certainly. Any party that doesn't take the Senate seriously, such as naming their politicians after "superheroes", won't in turn receive our respect. We have been watching Cildania while we were gone and every time you wrote some idiotic and nonsensical debate, we cried. That is why we don't bother responding to your useless and politically incorrect debating because it is no more than a waste of our time. We learned that in our last country, where the nation was mobbed by foolish anarchist parties that just didn't seem to get that Particracy is about ruling a national government. So an anarchist playing this game is being a complete hypocrite by taking part in the government. Meaning, your party. |
| Date | 04:41:16, April 29, 2007 CET | From | Justice League of Cildania | To | Debating the National Reformations |
| Message | Well well, the beast emerges. You're right about anarchists. They are deluded fools that should not have anything to do with Particracy if they had any integrity. But anarchy subsumes a lack of law and order, and you should know the Justice League is a staunch advocate of both. But you already knew that. No you lump us in with your madmen not because we're the same, but because we all keep getting in your way. Particracy is not about ruling a government, it is about serving a nation. That is what a government is for, no matter what its form. It is the little Stalin sitting on your shoulder that tells you that serving a nation best means ruling the government and consequently ruling over the people. What you don't seem to get is that to those of us madmen that defend freedom, serving the nation best means stopping statists like you from taking control. Freedom vs. control, that's all this game is fundamentally about; it is honestly all real life politics are about. You assume the characters of contemporary American democratic mainstays, we prefer superheroes. We both chose our heroes, our champions of an ideal. The superhero is simply an allegory, an allusion to the supernatural strength of character and purpose one must retain to stand up to all of those that desire power over others, for you are legion. As for Cildania rejoicing at our departure, do not confuse your band of tyrants with the Cildanian people. We've been voted the majority party continuously for the last thirty years... the voice of the people is loud and clear. So let's have enough of your tears of useless speeches and foolish madmen getting in your way. Throughout your demagoguery and diatribes, you never answered our simple straight-forward question: How do you intend to pay for this? If your answer is out of your own pocket, I wish you had said something earlier so I could have avoided this effort and enthusiastically voted for your bill, but we're beyond that now. All I want to know is, do you realize and admit that you perpetrate fraud and extortion on the populace when you enact law proposals that take money or freedom from them without their consent? If you do not realize this, that is fine, we can work with that. I can start at square one and explain to you, in all the details you prefer, the methods to my madness. :) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 121 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 229 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 75 |
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| Random quote: "There is no problem that cannot be solved with diplomacy or debate. Anyone who thinks otherwise does not need a gun, but a direct ride to a mental health clinic." - Ascentio Cartaginese, former Istalian politician |