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Bill: Private Property 87
Details
Submitted by[?]: Republican Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2094
Description[?]:
| Government shouldn't have right to seize land. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Eminent Domain.
Old value:: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Current: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Proposed: The government may not seize private property.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:09:54, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | We'll oppose this. It should be seized but only for vital government works. That is what we have now. |
| Date | 16:39:09, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | We belive in property, our land shouldn't be seized by government. |
| Date | 19:58:03, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | Property is theft! |
| Date | 20:13:39, July 29, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | The current legislation is in place to ensure that, for example, the construction of a reservoir which would be vital to a tribe's survival, cannot be stopped by one obstinate person. Of course, under normal circumstances, people have the right to retain the use of the homes they're living in, but when this means that thousands could seriously suffer, well, no-one has the right to cause the suffering of others. |
| Date | 04:55:53, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | Opposed |
| Date | 21:39:11, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | DSP, having property isn't theft. How is having property theft? |
| Date | 22:26:09, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | It's a socialist motto. To explain it briefly: Every profit causes a loss. Therefore individual wealth is the cause of poverty. Therefore the rich are guilty of theft, in that they are stealing the necessities of life from the poor. The bourgeois robs the proletariat of the fruit of their labour - property is theft. There's a quote by Pope Gregory I to this effect, but I can't find it. It also leads to an interesting joke in the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy... |
| Date | 22:40:43, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | Property isn't theft! I'm hoping to own property one day but if I buy it, it isn't theft. If I stole, then it'll be theft but since that is against the law, I'll be buying my own property. So if I buy property, is buying property theft? |
| Date | 22:45:53, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | How I just said. Surplus value is created by the exploitation of the workers. Private property is theft from the poorest in society - it is because the few are rich, the many starve. |
| Date | 22:51:31, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | Is buying property theft? Yes or no and leave your commie rhetoric at the door when you answer the question. |
| Date | 23:07:39, July 30, 2005 CET | From | Inactive | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | COmpletly support |
| Date | 13:55:11, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | @ RP: So you don't want intelligent debate then. Well, my (grossly oversimplfied) answer is yes. |
| Date | 15:36:59, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | At least your honest when you leave your rhetoric at the door. I like intelligent debates but when a Yes or No question comes up, forget the rhetoric and answer it via yes or no. And no, buying property isn't theft. |
| Date | 20:46:09, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | "And no, buying property isn't theft." You don't seem to understand the concept of debate. You see, it's more than just going "No, you're wrong". It requires intelligence and backing up your anwers. You don't seem to deny that global wealth causes global poverty. Neither have you seemed to notice that my answer is oversimplified, and I have already given you a better answer. |
| Date | 22:08:31, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | I also know that it is socialistic answer too. Which isn't surprising. Sorry DSP, but I believe in the right to own private property. I believe in the right for people to own homes too. Next thing your going to tell me that owning a home is theft. Get off the rhetoric DSP and actually form an opinion for once. |
| Date | 14:06:52, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | Everybody has the right to live under a roof, get clean drinking water, have free medical care and education, and enough food to support them. Private property is not a right. You do not have the right to commit a crime, so no-one should have the right to destroy the environment and let millions starve through want of profit. Theft is not a right. |
| Date | 19:49:56, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | ^^Now here's an illogical fallacy. Your wrong in assuming that owning property is not a right. I could pull something out of real life but due to other circumstances regarding it, I'm not so sure its accurate anymore. The right to own property is actually a right given to us. We do have the right to own property. However, we can't own it unless you actually buy it. By buying something, your not stealing it. Is that so hard to understand? |
| Date | 22:36:05, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | PP, you're making the assumption that it *is* a right. Can you show that the private ownership of property is a right? |
| Date | 19:28:33, August 04, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | Any chance of a vote, by the way? |
| Date | 23:39:20, August 08, 2005 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | Yes lets move this to a vote |
| Date | 21:30:08, August 10, 2005 CET | From | Republican Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | I have a word to SDP. Don't think that way. Think about one man company. Self-employment. Lets say he is a programer. He wrote some program and then sell it. Who is losing in this situation? In my opinion everybody have profit. Nobody lose. Live isn't a game of zero-summized matrix. It's much more complicated. Let the vote begin. |
| Date | 02:20:14, August 11, 2005 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | This bill has been Rejected by the Tribal Council. |
| Date | 07:08:10, August 11, 2005 CET | From | 3wide.com Antiparticulates | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | Seizing sucks. Every man has his price, if it's that vital we can find a way to compensate well enough to get them to give it up. |
| Date | 23:53:01, August 11, 2005 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Private Property 87 |
| Message | This bill has been rejected by the Tribal Council. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 86 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 133 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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