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Bill: Rotating National Capital
Details
Submitted by[?]: Lodamun Centre-Left Coalition
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2090
Description[?]:
| The Moderate Leftist Party refer to the proposal defeated in July 208, http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=9938, De-Centralisation by the Equitista party. We note that our negative vote then was not because of the proposal to change the captial, but because of the suggested changes to the motto, flag, sport and anthem. Should this bill pass, the national government shall rotate between already-built infrastructures in each of the five states, once every electoral term, even if early elections are scheduled. As the current capital, Port Andalay, is not a state capital, it shall serve as capital after each of the five state capitals, as per the Naming Things bill passed in October 2071 proposed by the CNT/AFL, have served. This shall be the order every electoral term, beginning with the first election after the bill's passage: Daro (Kregon), Jorka (Golavia), Orean (Andalay), Ficklesbourg (Rapula), November City (Norvastan), Port Andalay (Andalay). |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's capital city.
Old value:: Port Andalay
Current: Kensington, District of Piedmont
Proposed: Rotates every electoral term between Daro, Jorka, Orean, Ficklesbourg, November City and Port Andalay
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:21:14, August 01, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | Quintupling the expense to the nation of providing the infrastructure needed for our government. We oppose. |
| Date | 16:56:23, August 01, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | each of these cities alrady has ample infrastructure to support a strong state government apparatus. ASPCorp. needs to hire better accountants. The expense will be very small, and more than compensated by the positive effects of moving government closer to the grassroots. enthusiastically supported. |
| Date | 19:13:53, August 01, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | The infrastructure in each of these cities supports the local government. They do not have the infrastructure to support both local and national legislative bodies and the Head of State other than in Port Andalay. It is not our accountants and chartered surveyors that need refresher courses. |
| Date | 01:56:00, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | does the head of state require palaces? Does he even need to travel with the government? Aren't there ribbons to be cut in rural Kregon? |
| Date | 02:44:43, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | The Head of State has a diplomatic role and has to receive foreign dignatories. The Head of State also has an executive role and has to authorise laws. So thus all the paraphanelia required for receiving of demanding foreign trade delegations has to be present at the same location as the legislature. We would prefer to be able to spend a year in this city, a year in that one. But not at such enormous expense to our people. |
| Date | 09:22:22, August 02, 2005 CET | From |  National People's Gang | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | The Head of State can fulfil his entirely ceremonial "receptions" ( even though he has no constitutional or legislative authority to receive dignatories of any sort ) in a caravan, which he could hitch to the back of his own car. We probably ought to stump up a bit for petrol, wear and tear etc. - but tell the incompetent old duffer to steer clear of foreign dignatories and trade delegations, we have ministers for that. He should feel free to meet and greet as many of the incoming refugees as he wishes. But NO champagne etc from the Government reception budget or we'll take the caravan back. As for the "executive role" we're at a loss to find this role in either the constitution of Lodamun or legislation. Can he quote the relevant clause please? And no, he doesn't "authorise laws", Parliament does that. He can dress up in a black uniform with silver piping when he is off duty ie, weekends, week days, holidays, banks holiday, mornings, afternoons, evenings, night etc but he shouldn't try to bring it to work - the refugees won't like it. |
| Date | 15:44:46, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | Equitista obviously lives and works in a different country. They would of course, have no idea of the duties of the head of state as the people have never trusted them with the position. We also suggest that Equitista learns to read, as the executive role is clearly stated in the constitution. As to the private fetiches of the Head of State, we feel these or of no interest to Equitista. |
| Date | 17:07:24, August 02, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | Quote the clause or admit you are lying. |
| Date | 17:13:44, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | It was quoted in your most recent joke bill. Time to admit you can't read isn't it Equitista. |
| Date | 18:20:11, August 02, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | "3. Article II. The Executive Branch The Head of State The Head of State of the Independent Republic of Lodamun is known as the President-Councillor." I can read this, which I presume is what you are claiming as a clear statement of the executive role. This says what the title of the Head of State will be. It doesn't say what the role is. It does not give the post any powers, any authority to suspend Parliament, dissolve Parliament, issue statements on behalf of the Government, the Parliament or the people, hold any kind of receptions for anyone, these are merely powerplays by ASP incumbents attempting to act well beyond their remit. Name = what something is called Role = what something does You really must try harder. Now answer the question. |
| Date | 19:26:10, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | Should we quote Equitista when asked to answer questions. You have foregone the right to demand answers by thae response you made., but we must say that the hypocrisy suits you, it matches the prersonality of your members of parliament. As we have said, learn to read. Executive - means what Equitista? |
| Date | 21:11:00, August 02, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | 171 votes against seals this bill |
| Date | 22:07:36, August 02, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | Yes. The Head of State of the Independent Republic of Lodamun is defined under the Executive Branch and, according to the Constitution, has absolute authority to be known as the "President-Councillor". I agree. So tell your folks to stop trying to exercise authority beyond that which is lawful. |
| Date | 00:37:47, August 03, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | After reconsidering this matter, we have decided to vote in favour, even though it is effectively a billjack. At the very least a prior note to say you planned to nab our idea would have been polite. |
| Date | 01:13:23, August 03, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | It is not going to pass anyway Equitista. But yes we do agree with you here, at least a warning to someone that already has a bill in debate on an issue should be given before introducing a second one. |
| Date | 02:44:59, August 03, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Rotating National Capital |
| Message | More to do with original ideas, you'll understand better if you ever have one. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 262 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 171 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 17 |
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