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Bill: Taalhervorming
Details
Submitted by[?]: Ikradonian Interest
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2409
Description[?]:
| A majority of the Ikradonians speak dutch and act according to it. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Prime Minister
Current: Premier (First Minister),
Proposed: Eerste Minister
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Chancellor
Current: Staatspresident (State President),
Proposed: Kanselier
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The official title of the legislative assembly.
Old value:: Ikradonian National Congress
Current: Federale Parlement (Federal Parliament)
Proposed: Nationale Ikradoniaanse Parlement
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The National Animal.
Old value:: Swallow
Current: Hawk
Proposed: Zwaluw
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The national motto.
Old value:: Cives mundi quicquid necesse est merent / Citizens of the world deserve whatever is needed
Current: Vrijheid, Eenheid en Kracht (Freedom, Unity and Strength)
Proposed: Optimismus ist Pflicht, neem desnoods een Prozac
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The official title of subnational entities, also known as regions.
Old value:: Province
Current: Provincies
Proposed: Provincie
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:52:18, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Workers' Autonomy Socialist Party | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | La minoría hispanohablante se opondrá vehementemente a esta propuesta de ley, y con ella el WAM. |
| Date | 20:01:03, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Ikradonian Interest | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | Optimism is a moral duty, so chill |
| Date | 20:21:20, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Ikradonian Interest | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | Besides, we don't wish to promote the use of dutch, it would ruin the game. We just express the wishes of the dutch speaking majority. |
| Date | 20:53:33, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Bicky Forever - MSCC | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | Maybe there is a dutch speaking majority in this game, but without us, you don't get the required two-thirds. |
| Date | 21:02:38, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Ikradonian Interest | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | please clarify this statement BF, kind of ambigious |
| Date | 21:57:08, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Bicky Forever - MSCC | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | For the two-thirds that you need, you need the support of us (BF) and FFP. |
| Date | 22:13:03, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Ikradonian Interest | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | I can only hope FFP recognizes the fact that the dutch speaking parties, though in discontent lately, have gained substantial political ground. Backed up by the dutch speaking majority this can be no big surprise for any real democrat. |
| Date | 22:30:10, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Bicky Forever - MSCC | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | We dissociate us from IB's point of view. We do not support such a form of cultural or linguistic imperialism. For changes like these, two-thirds are needed (which is a good fact), which means a simple majority doesn't count. |
| Date | 22:46:59, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Ikradonian Interest | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | Yes we should simply ignore a 'simple' majority which has been ignored for the last 12 years and talk ourselves out of it with some cheap arguments. |
| Date | 23:12:21, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Bicky Forever - MSCC | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | We reject any form of cultural or linguistic imperialism. The official language, the language of communication is English in Ikradon and remains English! Therefore, we will vote "no"! We agree with WAM: minorities are right when they oppose such proposals loud and clearly. The majority to which IB is refering to, isn't there because of a language. So even if two players (is that a majority???) speak the same language and speak the same language, doesn't mean they must overrule everyone else when they've got the chance to do so. I don't think these are cheap arguments. And I don't think IB even has a point: even if we both vote "yes", none of these proposals will pass. So please explain what you want to reach with this silly bill. |
| Date | 23:42:36, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Ikradonian Interest | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | I can strategicly understand BF wants to take the opportunity to create a linguistic trendline. We of II however don't wish to see this happen since it will only drop its shadow on future government. The appointment of English as the urbi et orbi of any communication is another nice pointer. What we try to reach? Acknowledgement for the majority of the people by translating symbolic names into their mothertongue. |
| Date | 23:47:32, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Bicky Forever - MSCC | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | But that doesn't make sense at all. As soon as another couple of players, having a majority in parliament, wants to change all these names in Turkish or Danish, you will help them to gain the two-tirds? |
| Date | 23:52:28, May 21, 2007 CET | From | Ikradonian Interest | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | Yes we would, one may never forget parties have their roots among the population... |
| Date | 00:03:57, May 22, 2007 CET | From | Bicky Forever - MSCC | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | From earlier experiences, we have little reason to trust IB's words. Furthermore, voting "yes" is useless as long as FFP doesn't vote "yes" too. But if you insist, you may bring it to vote, and our generosity will give you one last chance: we are prepared to trust you and vote "yes" from the moment FFP agrees with it. When FFP thinks the minorities' interests will find in a crush with this proposal (as we do, but we're not a minority and in your point of view, FFP is...), we will vote "no" with much more pleasure! |
| Date | 06:05:50, May 22, 2007 CET | From | Lyika ati Isá»dá»tun | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | Actually, the language of Ikradon's cultural heritage is Ikradonian, which is the language used in all official government documents, National Congress discourse, and is the language in which we are currently communicating. |
| Date | 18:15:47, May 22, 2007 CET | From | Ikradonian Interest | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | Holding on too that romantic idea won't solve the situation at hand. |
| Date | 18:32:09, May 22, 2007 CET | From | Lyika ati Isá»dá»tun | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | With all respect, the situtation you describe is a non-issue. We do not plan to vote for this amendment, nor do we foresee a future situation in which this reorientation of Ikradon's linguistic heritage might be effected. |
| Date | 19:26:44, May 22, 2007 CET | From | Ikradonian Interest | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | The linguistic trendline is set, no turning back now boys :( |
| Date | 22:49:03, May 22, 2007 CET | From | Lyika ati Isá»dá»tun | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | We have seen no data to support the IB's claims. What, by the way, is a "linguistic trendline"? |
| Date | 08:23:49, May 23, 2007 CET | From | Ikradonian Interest | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | Pretty much the result of artificial prisons, enough examples in history. All these lines started with denial of majorityrights by a government who refuses to check in with the man in the street. |
| Date | 18:31:17, May 23, 2007 CET | From | Lyika ati Isá»dá»tun | To | Debating the Taalhervorming |
| Message | I have no idea what you're trying to say. What is an "artificial prison"? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 171 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 428 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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