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Bill: A pure society of good
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2412
Description[?]:
| The faith is spreading in this country, and so does the demands for change. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government position in respect to crossdressing policy.
Old value:: Crossdressing is allowed.
Current: Crossdressing is allowed.
Proposed: Crossdressing is prohibited by the state.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy toward marriage.
Old value:: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Current: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Proposed: The government only recognises civil marriages between a man and a woman.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on sexual relations.
Old value:: Sexual relations of all types are legal for consenting adults.
Current: Sexual relations of all types are legal for consenting adults.
Proposed: Homosexual relations are illegal, but are not prosecuted.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:49:43, May 28, 2007 CET | From | Anti-Revisionist Party | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | We disagree with this, it infringes on the rights of homosexuals and transvestites. |
| Date | 14:17:56, May 28, 2007 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | Glad you understand the purpose of the bill.:) Sad however that you oppose it. :( |
| Date | 15:32:51, May 28, 2007 CET | From | Anti-Revisionist Party | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | The idea that homosexuals or transvestites are lesser humans is a bit odd. |
| Date | 17:07:43, May 28, 2007 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | The idea that no matter how deranged, perverted, dangerous, hostile, murderous, missuse of air, a individual is they have the same value as those whom are not is for us an idea that is odd. |
| Date | 17:36:11, May 28, 2007 CET | From | Anti-Revisionist Party | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | Indeed, this is why we arrest pedophiles, criminals, etc. We do not arrest harmless people who consent with adults and were born with their conditions. |
| Date | 18:09:55, May 28, 2007 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | Sadly the laws does not give the police force that right yet, that is true. But there will be changes in this field, rest assured of that. |
| Date | 21:05:29, May 28, 2007 CET | From | Wantuni Unitary Capitalist Party | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | Erm. No. This tramples on several rights inherent to any human being and the UCP will not support. |
| Date | 21:18:53, May 28, 2007 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | It does not trample on any rights inherent to the human being. Marriage is instituted, by the church between man and woman. Those of other ways then those ordained by the church, of which marriage is their property, can live as they please. But we will not now, nor ever will we, force the church to marry those that the faith does not allow to be married. Nor do we intend to promote perverted behaviour, we are all animals and our main charestics as nature made us is reproduction, eating and sleeping. Those that goes against those are unnatural, and are in all cases taken cared of. Those whom do not eat, will get treatment, those who do not sleep b ut need to they get sleeping pills or other things to help them. But for some weird reason, just because they got the vote and they ar organized apparently the basic fact that reproduction can only occur between man and women seem to disturb people. We are against this, and want to have a society of what is good. Same thing with crossdressing. What you parties do is nothing more then the all-completely-uninspired ways of so many before you. You have no effective arguments against it, so you confer to something high reaching that you think nobody will question, and therefore you do not have to be informed of the issue. State your argument against each point instead of some naive expression that is so vague that not even the Liberals would understand it. |
| Date | 21:38:58, May 28, 2007 CET | From | Wantuni Unitary Capitalist Party | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | Naive expressions of vagueness? They most certainly are not. Article 1: Why is the state persecuting individuals who choose to sleep with other consenting adults? Why is the state attempting to legislate an extreme sense of morality? The UCP, while mostly rightist in nature, does not believe that the government, any government, should have the ability or the right to intrude upon people this way. Article 2: Once again, if the government is to enact a 'wall between the church and the state', in order to prevent a complete theocracy from establishing itself, then civil and religious marriages must be kept separate. In this case, the government cannot recognize one type of civil marriage over another. This government will not persecute individuals for being different, nor shall it punish them for it. Article 3: The same argument applies to this. It is, quite simply, ridiculous to legislation morality of this type. Why are you so afraid of people being different? |
| Date | 21:46:58, May 28, 2007 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | So the WUC think it is ok for any perverties that there may want to exist in society, sodomy, homosexuality, bondage, or whatever that this should not be tried to be worked against ? Does the WUC want a nation of perverts ? The government should respect the faith and not use the term marriage when it comes to such relations. Marriage is a term that has as the very definition between man and women. If you are so keen as to allowing every depravity of society to become acceptable then you may propose it to the government, and have it added as a new form of relationsships. Why not a "Bunny-love act" or a "Gay-love act" where people can marry to their favourite bunnies, and have bunny-partnership, or gay partnership. While you are at it, why not allow polygami. Why should the government intervene in matters of this ? Why cant a football fan marry her entire football team if they all agree to it. That is your logic. The WUC has no respect for religion, culture, or tradition. In that way there are strong similarities between the WUC and Communists. Morality, ethics must always be guiding stars in a society. A society without moral, and without ethics is not a society worth maintaining or defending. Norms must be preserved, morals uphold so that we all can live in a society that is a true utopia of grandeour, splendour, and harmony. |
| Date | 00:35:58, May 29, 2007 CET | From | Wantuni Unitary Capitalist Party | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | No. The UCP just doesn't care what people do with other consenting adults in their own homes. |
| Date | 03:18:50, May 29, 2007 CET | From | Anti-Revisionist Party | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | The Anti-Revisionist party would rather have a nation of "perverts" than a nation that believes dying young is acceptable because it will save on costs. |
| Date | 09:49:00, May 29, 2007 CET | From | Dark Oppressors Guild | To | Debating the A pure society of good |
| Message | "The idea that homosexuals or transvestites are lesser humans is a bit odd." All humans are lesser. While we support much of this bill, we feel the oppression does not apply to enough people and is not heavy enough for those that it does. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 204 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 296 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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