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Bill: Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota
Details
Submitted by[?]: Lodamun Distributionist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2413
Description[?]:
| Commercial fishing is a vital part of the economy of Lodamun, as can be seen in the thriving industry of Port Andalay. However, a completely unregulated fishing industry is prone to severe overfishing. Overfishing is ecologially dangerous to our nation's native fisheries and therefore those Lodamun citizens who rely on them. The LDP proposes an informed regulation of all fresh and seawater fishing in Lodamun waters (as defined by the "Law of the Sea," ratified July 2308). |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Commercial fishing regulation.
Old value:: There are no limits on the amount of fish that may be caught.
Current: The government establishes fishing quotas.
Proposed: The government establishes fishing quotas.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:34:49, May 29, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | This is prudent, but historically Lodamun has never had a problem with overfishing. Could this simply be a case of the government attempting to regulate daily life? Furthermore, how will this be paid for and enforced? May I just state that Free Lodamun is in no way against this, I'm simply asking for clarification when we're talking about restricting rights in the 5 Kingdoms. If this legislation will actually protect and preserve our fishing industry, let's have at it. |
| Date | 13:31:32, May 29, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | We agree that historically Lodamun has never had this problem. Historically, Lodamun has never had the population we have now, as well. Research shows that while overfishing is not a problem now, but given the current levels population growth it soon will be. This is no so much a governmental play for power (as Distributionists we feel pretty strongly about small federal government) as it is a preemptive strike against potential damage to an important Lodamun industry. |
| Date | 13:44:23, May 29, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | Thank you for clarifying, cooperation is the heart of diplomacy. you'll have our modest support should this come to a vote. |
| Date | 07:07:34, May 30, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | we are against government quotas since there is no proof of overfishing how can any rational person support this bill? A pre-emptive strike on a problem that you imagined? Also more people does not necessarily translate into more fishing. |
| Date | 01:07:57, June 06, 2007 CET | From | Independent Republican Party | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | Overfishing can become a serious environmental problem. Certain places in the United States already have quotas for certain types of fish, so why shouldn't Lodamun maintain a national fishing quota? |
| Date | 19:44:32, June 06, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | The United Republics bring up a good point. More people do not necessarily mean more fish consumption, as long as most people are allergic to seafood. Otherwise, that's pretty much exactly what it means. More food is needed to sustain more people, and some of that food is bound to be seafood, especially in a nation where 4 or the 5 kingdoms have long coasts and active port cities. If we lived in Dundorf or Baltusia, the LDP would certainly be on the other side of the issue. Also, I wonder why a government quota on fish is so wrong when government control of electricity is just fine, eh URP? |
| Date | 05:44:52, June 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | I never said government control of electricity is fine. I proposed a bill to totally 100% privatize electricity, but no one voted for it. It is because of that bill that a comprimise was reached that will allow private industry to compete with the government. I assume LDP is still lambasting me for voting against a joke of a bill that would legalize little generators. Does the LDP realize that by voting against that bill, the URP was able to negotiate a stronger pro-capitalist bill? And actually more people does not mean more fish consumption because the percentage of fish in the average Lodamese diet might have changed - not because people are allergic to fish. |
| Date | 06:13:29, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | A fair point, to be sure. However, in the interest of full party disclosure, attempting to argue the tactical merits of a stronger capitalist stance with a distributionist may not be the best way to make them see your side of an issue. |
| Date | 17:47:51, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | Also, as the author of the bill that found a compromise on the electrical issue, you didn't negotiate ^%#@, The moderates did, all you did was complain, say the same thing repeatedly, and put others down. Kudos on the Ted Kennedy approach to governing. |
| Date | 19:21:15, June 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | we negotiate with our votes |
| Date | 20:00:49, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | that isn't negotiation. that's actually the antithesis of it. Negotiation is dealmaking and speaking and compromising. |
| Date | 10:48:18, June 09, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | Whatever it is, you're pretty bad at it |
| Date | 18:04:56, June 09, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | got me again -) I must say, you're getting better at this |
| Date | 14:16:38, June 13, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Liberal-Conservative Party | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | We believe the fishing market is better left to regulate itself - if certain fish species are growing scarce in numbers, the group most severely effected by this in the long term will be the fishermen and the fishing industry themselves. It is in their best interest that they allow these species to re-populate, so why not leave the market to its own devices? |
| Date | 19:29:17, June 13, 2007 CET | From | New Democratic Party | To | Debating the Establishment of Fresh and Saltwater Fishing Quota |
| Message | The NDP disagrees. If "certain fish species are growing scarce in number," the greatest threat is not to industry, but to our natural resources. We applaud the Distributionists for their foresight. If quotas were set high enough that current industry isn't hampered, the bill might prove inexpensive to fund or enforce. Meanwhile, we might be more prudent to watch for future threats to our population from overfishing before they become serious. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 125 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 445 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 29 |
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