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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of July 2413
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Union Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2414
Description[?]:
| OOC. No offence is meant to the UFD. For roleplaying reasons we have decided to reject the cabinet proposal you made and make our own (it is more fun this way). And for our terrorist comment, this is all IC. I'm positive you are not a terrorist really. IC. The CDA have always been good allies and recently Le Chaim have proven themselves to be a very good cabinet partner despite our differences on morality and religion. We hope everybody would be willing to work with us to keep the terrorists out of power. |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the Christian Democratic Alternative
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Christian Democratic Alternative
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Christian Democratic Alternative
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the "Le Chaim" - Aesthetic Party
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Conservative Union Party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Conservative Union Party
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Christian Democratic Alternative
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the "Le Chaim" - Aesthetic Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Christian Democratic Alternative
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Conservative Union Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Christian Democratic Alternative
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the "Le Chaim" - Aesthetic Party
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the "Le Chaim" - Aesthetic Party
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:46:54, June 06, 2007 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | "recently Le Chaim have proven themselves to be a very good cabinet partner despite our differences on morality and religion." As well as your differences on the economy, the role of the state, civil rights, the Union etc. etc. In other words, you have absolutely nothing in common, so this attempt at a government is laughable! "We hope everybody would be willing to work with us to keep the terrorists out of power." Are you calling our party terrorists? |
| Date | 19:09:26, June 06, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | No. We are calling the UFD terrorists after their campaign in Western Falristan. And if us and Le Chaim have NOTHING in common then why did they accept our proposal? |
| Date | 20:38:51, June 06, 2007 CET | From | God's and the King's Fighters | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | Actually, now we're going to support this government, though we're not in it, because it doesn't let the UFD govern. |
| Date | 23:54:33, June 06, 2007 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | "And if us and Le Chaim have NOTHING in common then why did they accept our proposal?" Then tell us what you have in common. |
| Date | 14:47:53, June 07, 2007 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | You can't tell us, can you?! |
| Date | 17:26:12, June 07, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | We are not terrorists, we do not support the Union of Macon, we are against the UFD in government as well as other bills. Look and see. |
| Date | 21:39:42, June 07, 2007 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | "We are not terrorists" That is a ridiculous statement to make. The main thing that you have in common is that you are not terrorists. Absolutely ridiculous. "we do not support the Union of Macon" Really? It is highly likely that Le Chaim may not be completely against a Union if it were introduced in a certain form. Besides, there seems to be a consensus on the Union issue, so, again, not really a great thing to cite. "we are against the UFD in government" Again, a negative reason. Do we really want a coalition built on negatives? What about citing something positive, that you can build on. The Right is Right Party are not terrorists. We are also vehemently opposed to the Union of Macon - why can you not include us in this coalition? Let's look at where you differ with Le Chaim, on the issues that matter: Economics - you lean more towards the free market, whereas Le Chaim believe in the Free Market Morality - Le Chaim have progressive views, whereas you believe that the state should decide on what is moral and impose these views on others Civil Rights - Le Chaim believe more in equal rights for all, unlike you Religion - you believe in state religion, whereas Le Chaim believe that politics and religion should not mix Clearly, these are massive differences on _all_ of the main issues. This government will be a disaster. |
| Date | 22:46:10, June 07, 2007 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | And now the CDA have agreed. We are dismayed to see Le Chaim ally themselves with parties with completely contradictory views to them. |
| Date | 23:46:24, June 07, 2007 CET | From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | We are even more disappointed by the GKF. But we do understand LeChaim in a way... We both have no more or less contradictory views to them than the CDA and the CUP. LeChaim has got the problem that there is no party in Hutori they can really call allies. And the CUP granted them better ministries... |
| Date | 00:17:16, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | Well, our party and Le Chaim agree on pretty much all areas apart from economics. That is a lot more than they agree on with the CUP, or really, the CDA. |
| Date | 17:10:07, June 08, 2007 CET | From | "Le Chaim" - Aesthetic Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | That is right, without doubt. But we think UFD simply shouldn't rule the country after their senseless agressions in Western Falristan. Who disagrees? |
| Date | 20:23:13, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | RiR.We agree with Le Chaim. You agreed to form a government with terrorists. We picked Le Chaim over the GKF for two reasons, Le Chaim and the CUP have worked well in the past few years despite our differences and that a cabinet is more stable with less parties. |
| Date | 20:44:15, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | From what we have heard, Le Chaim actually agreed on the coalition originally. I put that to you. And what has our agreeing to form a government with the UFD to do with anything? It does not address the fact that you and Le Chaim have nothing in common. |
| Date | 20:48:29, June 08, 2007 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | And before you make any comments about us working with terrorists, we ask you to read our history, and regard the way in which our Party has been effected by terrorism. Your suggestions that we are working with terrorism, or are indeed related to terrorists ourselves disgusts us. |
| Date | 08:38:54, June 09, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Union Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | Then what would you call the murders in Falristan then? Surely that is classed as terrorism. |
| Date | 17:53:12, June 14, 2007 CET | From | United Forces of Decay | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of July 2413 |
| Message | ......Could you please stop calling us terrorists after our apologies concerning the actions in Falristan? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 156 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 94 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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