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Bill: Arming Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Teleurstelling Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2418
Description[?]:
| This is an attempt to right an injustice commited upon the Luthori people. Certainly with reasonalbe regulations we can trust the currently law abiding people to contribute to their own defense. We emplore our esteemed Senior in the Legislature to recognize this right of the law abiding Luthori. Do not let the current law stand as sign of distrust between the government and the people. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.
Old value:: Individuals are not permitted to own firearms under any circumstances.
Current: Adult individuals may not own firearms unless professionally required.
Proposed: Individuals are allowed to own firearms as long as they do not have a history of dangerous mental illness or a violent criminality.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:13:58, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Teleurstelling Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | For the consideration of our seniors. |
| Date | 09:15:56, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Luthori Christian Women's Association | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | We prefer to keep guns out of our society. Belinda Braithwaite (Leader of the LCWA) |
| Date | 09:33:54, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | Likewise. |
| Date | 15:02:01, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | We support this legislation. We believe people shouldn't be barred from their hobbies that include guns such as hunting, collecting, and shooting inanimate targets. We also believe that guns can be a great means for self-defense. |
| Date | 15:20:44, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | That's the problem. They become a necessity for self defence because the small time opportunist scallywag crooks have them. |
| Date | 15:28:15, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | Yes, but the crooks are less likely to get into encounters which will end up with their deaths. Before guns are legalized, struggles with crooks are based on strength. Guns level the playing field and thus, discourage attacks. |
| Date | 15:32:47, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | Hardly. As a hardened war veteren I'd rather take my chances hand-to-hand with a seventeen year old drug addict than face one with a sidearm! |
| Date | 15:35:24, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | What about those that aren't hardened war veterans? What about the more elderly or weak members of society? |
| Date | 15:41:30, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | The police are there to protect them, as are their families. They certainly shouldn't be cutting around with handguns! |
| Date | 15:43:24, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | So, are you telling me that families and the police are always going to be around to protect those people? What if the only people in a person's family are also weak or elderly? |
| Date | 15:52:01, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | We live is a society of rule by law: not one of vigilanteism. |
| Date | 15:54:44, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | Self defense is not vigilanteism. Besides, unless we have soldiers or police on every street corner, then there is no way that we can prevent every violent crime. |
| Date | 16:02:26, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | Prevention is certainly better than cure, but the few crimes that cannot be prevented will be cured, by rule of law. |
| Date | 16:58:59, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | We support this. Outlaw guns, chaps, and only the outlaws will have guns. |
| Date | 17:01:01, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | Legalise firearms and everyone will have them. Let the rule of law deal with outlaws. |
| Date | 17:19:54, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | Still, the man is right. What about collectors, hobbyists and farmers? We support at least a more liberal stance on this than a complete ban. |
| Date | 17:27:56, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Redneck Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | We support this bill. OOC: To not support hard working men and wemon to arms themselves for self defence to criminal, and the idea of fools and spineless cowards. |
| Date | 18:01:58, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Luthori Christian Women's Association | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | I might have been sympathetic to reform if guns were only allowed to women, but there is no such option available. Belinda Braithwaite (Leader of the LCWA) |
| Date | 18:12:19, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Imperial Vodka and Pimm's Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | Further evidence of Miss Braithwaite's un-Christian and un-Luthori feminism! ooc: Lol :D Imagine that. "Evening love." "Where've you been?! It's 11.30! Is that lipstick on your collar?! "Uh, no, uh, darling I had to work la-" *BANG* |
| Date | 20:06:45, June 21, 2007 CET | From | Luthori Christian Women's Association | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | rofl! |
| Date | 14:17:23, June 22, 2007 CET | From | Teleurstelling Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | Drug addicts? But drugs are illegal, yet they still find their way into the nation. Just as guns do, so as cliche as it sounds only criminals have guns. So while some altruistic peace time vetran might suppose to go to 'fist to cuffs' with criminals criminals already dont follow the law so them being armed is no surprise. Clearly the representative of the LCWA is being humorous when she suggests women alone should be allowed to own weapons. All law abiding citizens should be trusted to remain law abiding citizens. Guns to not create criminals, we also would suggest they automatically stop crime. However, the seats of the legislature are more divided now, and support on this issue would carry much weight in where our future votes will fall. |
| Date | 15:02:44, June 22, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | We would consider veterens and police officers being allowed to retain their service weapons off duty and after discharge but nothing more. |
| Date | 19:11:37, June 22, 2007 CET | From | Redneck Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | OOC: Spineless cowards |
| Date | 19:27:04, June 22, 2007 CET | From | Luthori Christian Women's Association | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | OOC: Chill out, it's only a game, Turk. No need for OOC attacks. |
| Date | 02:00:46, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Teleurstelling Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | OOC: Yeah just a game. IC: We see. |
| Date | 02:23:38, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | OOC: Only an idiot would fail to see the problem with firearms falling into the hands of untrained civilians. Just take a look at America. |
| Date | 06:02:08, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Secular Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | OOC: The problem with America's gun control is that gun ownership in the culture is discouraged among many circles despite its legality, leaving concealed weapons only in the hands of thugs and a minority of the population who are gun fanatics. The idea of safety engineered by universal gun ownership doesn't work when a large percentage of people doesn't take advantage of its legality. Furthermore, there's the problem of a half-assed policy in some areas, where guns are allowed at home, but not on the street. That leaves the streets to thugs who don't particularly care about the fact that having guns on the streets isn't legal. All the availability in stores without the general population being able to take advantage of it, a thug's dream. So, the problem is that gun control or lack thereof only creates security when it is in either one of the two extremes. America chooses to stay vulnerable in the middle thanks to tension between the anti-gun and pro-gun nuts. |
| Date | 08:39:33, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Christian Royalist Party | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | It is righteous for a man to sell his stuff and buy himself a sword, but two swords is indeed enough. An armed civilian public is a public that cannot be intimidated or invaded by an enemy force and cannot be oppressed by its government. As such may the Church and the State be equally armed. |
| Date | 12:06:35, June 23, 2007 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Arming Act |
| Message | We would consider the Swiss model whereby, after completion of military national service, Citizens retain their service weapons ammunition, combat uniform and some military equipment in the home. Switzerland is, of course, a figment of our imagination, but the model is far healthier than the American one. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 37 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 63 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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