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Bill: Arming our Enemies...
Details
Submitted by[?]: The Unified Lodamun Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2425
Description[?]:
| Ladamun presently can and most certainly does arm our enemies with nuclear weapons as well as other weapons that could be used against not only us, but our allies in wartime. This must stop. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the export of weapons to other nations.
Old value:: The government allows all arms to be exported freely.
Current: The government must approve all arms sales on a case by case basis.
Proposed: The government allows arms to be sold only to close allies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:28:13, July 06, 2007 CET | From | The Unified Lodamun Party | To | Debating the Arming our Enemies... |
| Message | All it takes is one militant, or greedy businessman to put thelives of our people, even our children at risk. Please stand with the ULP on this issue. |
| Date | 05:25:07, July 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Arming our Enemies... |
| Message | what allies? specifically what nations will this bill allow exports to? I believe ULP is just speaking in vague theoretical terms. If Lodamun has 'close allies' or even enemies it would be news to the URP. Lodamun has not involved itself much in the international arena. So as I read this bill, it would ban arms sales to ALL other nations. |
| Date | 07:20:01, July 08, 2007 CET | From | The Unified Lodamun Party | To | Debating the Arming our Enemies... |
| Message | close allies would probably mean people we have treaties with, and nations with which we speak to on a regular basis, and for future record it would mean not nations that would use the weapons in a manner that we here in Lodamun would deam unacceptable. The URP's arguement against this bill was ironically more vague than the description given by the ULP. |
| Date | 07:31:13, July 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Arming our Enemies... |
| Message | I asked for specific nations. please list the nations who are and are not eligible to buy arms from Lodamun. I don't know how I'm being vague when the best answer you could produce when I asked for SPECIFIC information was "close allies would probably mean people we have treaties with" |
| Date | 18:11:16, July 08, 2007 CET | From | The Unified Lodamun Party | To | Debating the Arming our Enemies... |
| Message | The nations that this bill would affect would change over time, and I think you know that and that you are intentionally giving me a hard time because you don't like my party. Here's the good news for you. I'll tak the high road on this one. Date 10:16:02, July 04, 2007 CET République Libre de Rildanor United Kingdoms of Lodamun République Fédérée de Jelbania Republic of Aldegar République populaire d'Alduria Selucian Empire United Tribes of Tukarali Free Republic of Mordusia Republica Baltusia The Grand Duchy of Keymon Republic of Trigunia Bundesrepublik Dundorf United Kingdoms of Lodamun People's Republic of Egelion Dranian Imperium Axis Mundi Likatonian Res Publica Independent Federation of Dolgaria República Federal de Davostan Commonwealth of Telamon The treaty concerning the Law of the Sea really has little to do with friendship and everything to do with geography, so those countries probably would not be included in this, and the treaty concerning the Olympic Games is to widespread to be included here. However, the other countries that have entered treaties with us, be they free trade, or nuetrality treaties would all fall under the umbrella of this bill. Does this please the URP? |
| Date | 21:33:12, July 08, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Arming our Enemies... |
| Message | not really. I don't know why would tie the hands of our business community. Why not trade with neutral parties. If they really are our allies (and ULP would be first to ask how the ULP came up with these names since "he's not the foreign minister") then that's fine, but why limit our exports to this small group thereby costing thousands of hardworking Lodamese their jobs. The next question I have is who are the enemies of these supposed allies or even Lodamun? Odds are is is a much smaller list of maybe 1 or 2 nations. Does ULP also realize that trigunia and telamon are listed as allies when these are both countries the NP has threatened to invade? |
| Date | 01:55:13, July 09, 2007 CET | From | The Unified Lodamun Party | To | Debating the Arming our Enemies... |
| Message | OOC, the U.S. had the great pleasure of dealing with its' capitolistic notions in the 70's and 80's with selling arms to whomever wanted them it seems. It was those same weapons that were used to kill many of there own soldiers in the past few years. If we can't learn from history, then we just simply can't learn. The ULP will bring this up again in the future, and hopefully before we are attacked by our own weapons. |
| Date | 01:59:00, July 09, 2007 CET | From | The Unified Lodamun Party | To | Debating the Arming our Enemies... |
| Message | For in information of the URP, this list came from the list of countries that the United Kingdom of Lodamun has joined in treaty with. Its' a matter of record that the foreign minister does not have to spend his valuable time digging up for a lowly member of Parliment. In fact, if Dorothy Gaines had been asked which countries Lodamun had treaty agreements with, she would have scoffed at the member of the ULP that asked for such a time wasting question. |
| Date | 11:47:35, July 10, 2007 CET | From | Democrats | To | Debating the Arming our Enemies... |
| Message | ooc: The US sold weapons to allies in the 70's and 80's. However without the benefit of being able to predict the future, one cannot guarentee that an ally may not be an ally twenty years later, or that twenty years later such weapons may have been sold on. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 213 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 334 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 52 |
| Random fact: Information about the population of each country can be found on the Population Information thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8663 |
| Random quote: "To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is barbarity." - Maximilien Robespierre |