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Bill: UIF Bill XII: Reorganizing Military Industries and Civilian Police Force
Details
Submitted by[?]: I need to make new party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2428
Description[?]:
| Okay Well first of I believe we should be open to let Defense industries Be Private. The government will still be able to control there own defense Industries but private ones can open up to JUST so economi gowth in this area of buisness could be more free. Second I believe that The Police SHALL REMAIN A CIVILIAN CONTROLLED SERVICE... But in certain Emergincies the Armed Forces should be allowed to help out. Please these acts are fairly straight forward and should be accepted by everyone. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: The state owns all defence industries.
Current: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Proposed: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:04:22, July 13, 2007 CET | From | Gazelle Party | To | Debating the UIF Bill XII: Reorganizing Military Industries and Civilian Police Force |
| Message | I would support this bill 110% |
| Date | 00:42:59, July 13, 2007 CET | From | I need to make new party | To | Debating the UIF Bill XII: Reorganizing Military Industries and Civilian Police Force |
| Message | Excellent |
| Date | 02:06:43, July 13, 2007 CET | From |  Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the UIF Bill XII: Reorganizing Military Industries and Civilian Police Force |
| Message | I'm scared for the day when you get into power. I'm guessing that the next election after that, should it go bad for you, will probably be called a "serious emergency". As for the first proposal, if you're going to go for a private defence industry, why not go the whole hog and get rid of our nationalised defence? It doesn't make any sense to run both public and have private defence contractors, mainly because of the cost. But then, my party likes things the way they are. |
| Date | 03:55:35, July 13, 2007 CET | From | I need to make new party | To | Debating the UIF Bill XII: Reorganizing Military Industries and Civilian Police Force |
| Message | Hahahah very funny... Esspecially for a guy who sits on his arse voting agaisnt all bills to keep a Political Ally and stay in power. Im scared on how things are going with you and him IN POWER.... When I get to power I would pass Bills to help the people Not frget about the people and just act like a sarcastic dick. And anyhow we wouldnt use the private defense contractors other nations would it would bring trade jobs and economic growth. We would use our own at the same time bring some outside growth in this area to our economy. |
| Date | 10:57:55, July 13, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the UIF Bill XII: Reorganizing Military Industries and Civilian Police Force |
| Message | OOC: You really need to settle down. See, what you've done in terms of personal insults (dick, asshole, etc) is far worse than what you received. I'm not going to go bitch to the moderators (becuase I'm not going to get cut by some insults over the internet and then throw a massive tantrum) but I will ask you to grow a thicker skin in response to two minor insults and a lot of sarcasm. Its what this nation's political system is built on. If you don't like it, feel free to find a new nation. |
| Date | 16:34:18, July 13, 2007 CET | From | Gazelle Party | To | Debating the UIF Bill XII: Reorganizing Military Industries and Civilian Police Force |
| Message | OP: Could you please explain why you think article II is a bad idea? The United States will send the coast guard during emergencies and that seems to be a good system. It never hurts to have options. What if the police force isn't big enough to handle a certain riot? |
| Date | 18:46:54, July 13, 2007 CET | From | I need to make new party | To | Debating the UIF Bill XII: Reorganizing Military Industries and Civilian Police Force |
| Message | HE is saying that even though articale 2 makes sense he cant accept he cause he wants to keep a good political agenda with his ally he is defending "Pantian Alliance" |
| Date | 04:13:46, July 15, 2007 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the UIF Bill XII: Reorganizing Military Industries and Civilian Police Force |
| Message | No, the UIF has missed the sublety in my first point. The government controls the police and military but currently they cannot work together. Each represent a rather sizeable coercive force on their own. Combined with a powermad lunatic at the helm, who knows what could happen? Say we change the laws regarding freedom of assembly to the point where public gatherings can be broken up for any reason (presumably under the guise of "public safety" and claiming legitimate protesters are "rioting"). Futher say the military and police are effectively one force in domestic matters. Who could stand up against that? At least as it stands now we can wave a couple of pieces of paper in front of potential lunatics (looking at you UIF) that will hopefully contain said lunatics. Luckily, our Praetor is currently a pair of pants. But if the Crimson Entente, any of the various National parties or whatever, come back... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 34 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 166 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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