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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of February 2429
Details
Submitted by[?]: Federal Independent Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2429
Description[?]:
| Proposing a Cabinet |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the President chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the 
Independent Party
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Solentia Labor Party
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Revolutionary Party of the Proletariat
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Federal Independent Party
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Federal Independent Party
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Real Party
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Federal Independent Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Real Party
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Real Party
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Real Party
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Revolutionary Party of the Proletariat
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Revolutionary Party of the Proletariat
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:13:19, July 15, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 2429 |
| Message | Shall we debate this time? Opposed is all that need be said on my party's behalf. Julia Taylor, Inner-Party Leader |
| Date | 22:27:55, July 15, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Party of the Proletariat | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 2429 |
| Message | The Party is curious what, if anything, it will take for the CPS to allow the Government to continue and function without the petty party politics which so constantly plague the formation of the President's Cabinet? The SSDP feels that perhaps the CPS owes the whole of Solentia a better explanation than, merely, "Opposed." Please, Ms. Taylor... Enlighten us all. Finn Jacob SSDP Chair |
| Date | 23:13:32, July 15, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 2429 |
| Message | Of course Mr. Jacob, I find it extremely entertaining that the position of Minister for Defense seems to be one so hard to fill in the minds of FIP Presidents. Solentia has bounced about between legitimate defense ministers and policies 7 years ago, to inadequate liberals, and now to extremist radicals. It would seem to myself that Mr. Bailen and the FIP are merely trying to get the votes necessary to take power, rather than seeking to compromise on the position. The proposed cabinet is a work around, and there is no denying it. Rather than attempting to debate with my party, Mr. Bailen has allowed a party which HE once labeled terrorist to seize some of Solentia's most important positions. I have no idea what Mr. Bailen has against the Civic Committee, but even THEY, inexperienced as they are, would be a better choice for the defense of Solentia. I also question what right the FIP has any more to the position of Minister of Foreign Affairs. in past terms, Mr. Bailen's party has only attempted to draw us into a pointless conflict with Wantuni. What good has come of FIP foreign policy? I await your answers. Julia Taylor, Inner-Party Leader |
| Date | 23:47:22, July 15, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Party of the Proletariat | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 2429 |
| Message | When you speak of these "inadequate" liberals you are taking a direct swipe at a party, which, in the past has gone to great measures to cooperate with a the CPS, a party that sits on the other side of the political equilibrium. The SSDP is a Party of co-operation, and you have the nerve to dance around in your accusations that we were soft on Defense. Yes, the Party held the ministerial position, for one term, and in that term, we operated and maintained the military with the -same- budget, the -same- laws governing it, and -the- same high ideals and standards that the previous holders of the post did. Have the courage to make your accusations directly, if you feel they are correct as you do. Look at our voting record, we have shown a consistently positive response to pro-military measures in the Senate. Your accusations are baseless, political, and they hurt Solentia, and the ability of her Government to function... It is time to let the Ministers' go to work, to participate in the democratic decision-making processes in our Republic. Your party was included, including an assignment to your coveted Defense post. Mr. Bailen, subscribing to the policy that actions speak louder than words, chose to try and heal a rift and include your party heavily in the process of the Executive of Solentia, and you took a purely political motive and action and opposed a reasonable Cabinet... You have a right to question on what ground President Bailen has to assign the FIP the reigns to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, but you had your chance to participate in lively and open discourse about the credentials of the FIP to fulfill this post--Instead, you insisted that "Opposed" was all the answer you owed to a Party who was trying to heal past rifts, and more importantly, the people of Solentia. These questions of yours are too little, too late. I hope these answers were the ones you were waiting for, Ms. Taylor, more importantly, I would like to add, that YOUR answers were the ones we've all been waiting for all this time. Finn Jacob SSDP Chair ...on shaky grounds, may I add. |
| Date | 23:48:36, July 15, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Party of the Proletariat | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 2429 |
| Message | ((OOC: I edited that poorly, "...on shaky" should be before the tagline, clearly.)) |
| Date | 23:53:42, July 15, 2007 CET | From | Independent Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 2429 |
| Message | I would just like to say that I am getting tired of the CP leader whining lately. There party leader a whining bitch. All they do is complain about Defence Minister. You keep voting down the cabinet proposals so we have to change something so it passes. The Defence Minister does vertually nothing so why do you keep complaining who takes it over? Jack Carver IP Leader |
| Date | 00:11:01, July 16, 2007 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 2429 |
| Message | These latest actions by the CPS have not only been of disrespect to the entire Solentian government, but to my fellow colleagues in the Senate, regardless of their party. If Miss Taylor would say that my party has "bounced" the cabinet around, she is right. We have because of Senators who hold no respect for progress in this legislature. By being elected by the people you have fufilled a promise to these people that you would accomplish what they sent you to this legislature for. By all means, if you believe these people sent you to this Senate body, on this Senate floor where your formerly stood, to bicker in partisan debate and partisan legislation then Miss Taylor, I cannot say that you have ever been more wrong. Solentian politics used to be a presitigious thing until you entered it. I can't say that I have ever been impressed by your politics and must say that your party always had excellent relations until YOU entered the spotlight. For some reason, you have an obsession with bashing this party left and right. This party leadership has endured with your treasoness actions against bi-partisan politics and it has come to an end. This ends things here. We have reformed the cabinet so that the government may carry on with its duty. The President's duty is NOT to argue constantly with you. The President doesn't have any time to waste on your detrimental politics. The President has what's best in mind for this nation and that is avoiding you so he doesn't have to lose any more brain cells than he already has listening to your vile, politically incorrect, vicious, and disgusting debate. It's called "moving on", something you have yet to learn apparently. Need we remind you Miss Taylor...no wait, first let me say this. Let me have the honor of correcting the madame here. Miss Taylor, DO YOUR RESEARCH BETTER. Your attempted attack on the President by saying he once called the Real Party "terrorists" is the biggest lie I've ever heard in my life. Period. The lie is so big, Miss Taylor should be stripped of all credibility she has left, if there is even anything left there. Miss Taylor, did you know that Supreme President Michael Bailen was born July 2400? Miss Taylor, did you know that the War on Terror was going on while Supreme President Bailen was just a young child? Miss Taylor, did you know that the PRESIDENT WASN'T INVOLVED IN ANY PUBLIC OFFICE WHEN THIS ALL HAPPENED? Miss Taylor, WHEN DID MR. BAILEN SAY THIS? Miss Taylor, did you do your history? Miss Taylor, did you know that the Anti-Terrorist Initiative Party made these claims, which is now a defunct party that is no longer a registered party in the Federal Republic of Solentia? Miss Taylor, did you know that the Federal Independent Party has no official political relations with ATIP? Miss Taylor, I ask once more, where is this specific article where Mr. Bailen stated "the Real Party are terrorists" or something along those lines? Miss Taylor, did you know that YOUR party was offered Defense? Miss Taylor, did you know that if YOUR party had accepted the cabinet, the party of extremists that you so much seem to fear in this cabinet would not be here? Miss Taylor, did you know in the first place that had your party not acted as immaturely as it had done in the Supreme Presidential Cabinet of 2428, there would be no problem that we have here? Miss Taylor, did you know that by saying FIP has mismanaged the Defense with "inadequate liberals" is not only insulting our fine liberal colleagues in the Senate, some who make up our party, but you are insulting any or all liberal or progressive Solentian citizen? Miss Taylor, it is you that tarnishes Solentia, not the Federal Independent Party, not the Solentia Social Democratic Party, not the Independent Party, not the Real Party. It is you, and under you, as I am sad to say it, your party has fallen to a level of politically incorrectness. Just when we thought you couldn't fall any further, you did it. As for the Wantuni situation, I will not discuss it with someone who cannot understand what happened in the past. As anyone who has learned history may recall, FIP President Thiris Steton stated FIP WAS AGAINST ANY FORM OF INTERVENTION OR RELATION TO WANTUNI ON THE MATTER PRESENTED TO THE SENATE BY MINISTER BYRD. If you choose to ignore this, then stop talking about it since you are ignoring our part of the argument. Might I add, Minister Byrd NEVER said we should intervene with any FORCE. He said that we must ensure that the situation does not ensue towards violence, should this occur, with DIPLOMACY. Might I remind everyone that the Majority party at the time was called the "Dark Oppressors Guild", not a friendly name. Miss Taylor, you have officially ruined relations with this party. You have burnt them down to the ground over and over while party leaders like Mr. Bailen have tried to heal any damage done or any misunderstandings that have taken place. But you are so maliciously evil that you strike these gestures of good will down, and now you have created a greater rift in the Senate body than you could ever have hoped for. FIP has taken the initiative time after time to regain relations and end all partisan bickering. You have done nothing but prevent this. If the Conservative Party wishes to ever have good relations with this party in the future, Miss Taylor must be evicted from her party. If Conservative Senators know what is good for them, they will take control of this situation by emplacing leadership in their party that won't run the party off of hatred and malicious politics. If the CPS ever wants to build the bridge it just burned with FIP, it will have to start the process. And as a note to the CPS, as I have seen other parties want answers and have things to say to your mismanaged leadership. Don't pull the usual and only respond to us like you did previously by avoiding what the SSDP said and turning around against us. A party of true debaters would face all of its opponents. |
| Date | 00:13:09, July 16, 2007 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 2429 |
| Message | I return the floor to anyone who wishes to speak their mind. FIP Minority Leader Hugh Bieler |
| Date | 02:56:15, July 16, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Party of the Proletariat | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 2429 |
| Message | The SSDP would like to suggest that the Independent Party resort to more intelligent discourse when addressing another person or party. There are and abundance of creative ways to get your point across without resorting to profanity. Finn Jacob SSDP Chair |
| Date | 03:46:35, July 16, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 2429 |
| Message | Mr. Bailen (I am assuming that it is you addressing me, Mr. Bailen, although your frequent use of the third person frankly scares me a bit...), I apologize for the mistake of seeing two Bailen's as one. You just remind me so much of his extremist policies. While we're on the topic of the past, I suggest that the FIP not run from theirs. You are and always will be the offspring of ATIP policy and belief, and I see it as clearly now as it was even in 2409 when the CPS first came to Solentia. Others may lack the experience with your party's former forms, but radicalism and deceit runs as rampant in the FIP as it did in the ATIP. Perhaps my reasons for distancing my party from you are not so random, Sir. My party was offered the position of defense minister, it is true. However, you and I both know this was the standard FIP power move. You seek to confine the largest party in Solentia to the same seats it held underneath your party 10 years ago, and now that my party and I have grown to a position where we can rightfully oppose you, and do so with some clout, you seek to work around us in order to establish a new regime filled of inexperienced parties who will blindly do your bidding. Do not play the innocent, Mr. Bailen. Your party has hosted some of Solentia's most renowned puppeteers in history. I would like to take a moment to apologize for a misunderstanding with the SSDP, and I feel no remorse saying this openly now that Mr. Carver has delivered his most intelligent response to my discussion. It was not your party who I referred to as liberal inadequates, Mr. Jacob. That was directed toward the Independent Party. As far as liberals go, you're not half bad. The Independent Party, though, is nothing more than an extension of the FIP arm in Solentia, and a rather humiliating one at that. Mr. Bailen really downgraded when he chose Mr. Carver to be the next Kevin Sunderland, a little lapdog who would jump off the bridge when told. I will speak no more of the Wantuni situation that the FIP attempted to draw us into. My parting remark is a bit of advice. It is not always wise to judge book by it's cover, Mr. Bailen, and it is not always wise to judge a party by it's name. I think it hardly responsible to base a foreign policy off disagreement with a name. On a final note, I would allow Mr. Bailen to contact any of the 50 senators of the Conservative Party of Solentia. An inner party survey shows 100% support of my policies. I fear that this term will not be one of building bridges. Julia Taylor, Inner-Party Leader |
| Date | 21:11:18, July 16, 2007 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of February 2429 |
| Message | Miss Taylor, Had you listened to me while I was speaking in the Senate floor, you would know that Supreme President Bailen was not addressing you. Why would the Supreme President be speaking in the Senate when I am this party's Minority Leader? (OOC: Notice the above post.... I return the floor to anyone who wishes to speak their mind. FIP Minority Leader Hugh Bieler) FIP Minority Leader Hugh Bieler |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 66 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 98 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 11 |
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