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Bill: Budget Proposal, 2430
Details
Submitted by[?]: Union for a Responsible Republic
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2434
Description[?]:
| The Union for a Restored Republic propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the Cildanian Republic. For decades the finances of the Republic have been ignored. It is time for fiscial responsibilty to return to Cildania. |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 3,000,000,000 CDC | 1,000,000 CDC | 1,000,000 CDC |
| Foreign Affairs | 20,000,000,000 CDC | 10,000,000,000 CDC | 9,000,000,000 CDC |
| Internal Affairs | 13,000,000,000 CDC | 12,000,000,000 CDC | 750,000,000 CDC |
| Finance | 5,000,000,000 CDC | 50,000,000 CDC | 50,000,000 CDC |
| Defence | 167,000,000,000 CDC | 44,000,000,000 CDC | 12,000,000,000 CDC |
| Justice | 16,000,000,000 CDC | 1,500,000,000 CDC | 900,000,000 CDC |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 75,000,000,000 CDC | 0 CDC | 9,000,000,000 CDC |
| Health and Social Services | 150,000,000,000 CDC | 0 CDC | 9,000,000,000 CDC |
| Education and Culture | 30,000,000,000 CDC | 0 CDC | 9,000,000,000 CDC |
| Science and Technology | 19,000,000,000 CDC | 0 CDC | 7,000,000,000 CDC |
| Food and Agriculture | 28,000,000,000 CDC | 0 CDC | 9,000,000,000 CDC |
| Environment and Tourism | 3,000,000,000 CDC | 0 CDC | 5,000,000,000 CDC |
| Trade and Industry | 31,000,000,000 CDC | 0 CDC | 2,000,000,000 CDC |
| Total | 560,000,000,000 CDC | 67,551,000,000 CDC | 72,701,000,000 CDC |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 09:33:09, July 17, 2007 CET | From |  New Progressives of Cildania | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | Defense seems a tad high and head of government and finance a tad low. Perhaps increase the two? |
| Date | 12:02:58, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Hebilon Mujahideen | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | So you would cut back on police, prisons and defence so we can't deal with enemies at home or abroad? Apart from those cuts, we agree with this budget. |
| Date | 13:07:18, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Union for Social Justice | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | The police and prison system are funded through the ministry of internal affairs. For that reason I would like to see more money go there. Say 2./3 of the old budget. Cutting the funds of foreign affairs while the same party that made this budget proposal proposes to spend more on foreign aid seams strange, although I don't know how the budget of foreign affairs was spend before. Also the budget cut on defense is very large. We still need to defend our country. I think the spending on other things are about okee, also on head of government and finance, as that don't have many projects to spend it on. But maybe we copuld spend a little less on food and agriculture, I don't know why we need a lot there, and more on health and social services and education and culture. This budget fits into the income the state has right now, but couldn't we raise taxes on coorporations, income and luxury goods a little (say to 4% each) to give us more money to spend on important social and investment programs, without having to compromise national security. |
| Date | 14:55:43, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Social Democratic Future Party | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | Internal affairs seems a bit low too us, and we support the USJ in it's suggestion of raising taxes on coorporations. |
| Date | 20:12:01, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Reform Party | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | We can't support the massive cuts to internal affairs, justice, or defense. We can support some cuts to IA an defense, but this level is far too high. By the way, we don't particularly like the massive increase to agriculture and science. Is that really necessary? |
| Date | 20:14:38, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Union for a Responsible Republic | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | Foreign Affairs: Budget cut. The Foreign Office will be able to operate with reserves from the decades' long surpluses created under former budgets. Internal Affairs: This department is solely concerned with police funding. As the Republic does not maintain a national police force, there is no need for a large budget. Policing is a matter for local government, not the central government. Defense: There is no reason why the Republic needs such a large defense budget. We face no external threats and the existing military is made of professionals. The Defense Forces will still be more than able to preserve the sovereignty and integrity of the Republic. Justice: Justice concerns itself with the funding of the courts and prisons. So we do not have a large prison population there is no need to continue the current levels of spending in this area. Taxation: We are opposed to any tax increases at this time. |
| Date | 20:27:54, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Reform Party | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | Foreign Affairs: Due to international aid, we recommend on keeping it where it is. However, we can compromise. Internal Affairs: We do support a national police agency, fire department, etc. Therefore, we don't want any cuts to be greater than a fifth of the current budget. Furthermore, we need it in order to fund our spy agencies. A good spy agency never hurts regardless of the state of foreign affairs. As for the things that don't currently exist, we can put them into existence. We can compromise slightly on this. Defence: True, the Republic doesn't need the defense budget to be so huge. However, it never does hurt to have a strong military. We recommend that the defense budget be cut in only half. We can compromise slightly on this. Justice: Prisons must be well funded in order to maximize the potency of rehabilitation attempts. Regardless of prisoner levels, this is an important part of the budget. We cannot compromise on Justice. Infrastructure: We support a massive increase, even higher than the proposed, to this area in order to ensure good transportation and communication levels within the Republic. We will find it difficult to compromise and a level lower than the proposed. Health and Social Services: While we prefer a corporate and prevention based healthcare system, we can easily compromise on the budget of this area. Education and Culture: This is another area of massive importance. We support a budget higher than the one proposed. The ability to compromise is difficult below the proposed. Science and Technology: We are uncaring to this area of the budget, but we would prefer the budget of this sector to go to other areas. Food and Agriculture: We dislike government intervention in the agricultural industry, but we can easily compromise. Environment and Tourism: We support the level proposed. Compromise is easily possible if necessary. Trade and Industry: Same as EaT. |
| Date | 20:33:11, July 17, 2007 CET | From | Union for a Responsible Republic | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | We believe intelligence/spying agencies would be funded out of the Foreign and Defense budgets, not from Internal Affairs. The URR will begin the process of evaluating the suggestions brought up here to redraft a new budget. |
| Date | 11:11:11, July 18, 2007 CET | From | Union for Social Justice | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | p.s. how does one go about making such a proposal? I've tried but I couldn't find it among the articles I could ad to a law. |
| Date | 16:52:49, July 18, 2007 CET | From | Reform Party | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | You have to got to the cabinet page, click on the "here" area where it talks about seeing the cabinet's duties, and then you must scroll down to the finance ministry and click "Propose budget". |
| Date | 17:38:31, July 18, 2007 CET | From | Union for Social Justice | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | Thanx So I can do that although the finance minister is not a member of my party? |
| Date | 17:48:38, July 18, 2007 CET | From | Hebilon Mujahideen | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | Technically, only the finance minister is supposed to, but you are able to. |
| Date | 23:36:53, July 18, 2007 CET | From | Reform Party | To | Debating the Budget Proposal, 2430 |
| Message | However, exceptions should be made during these times of reform. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 233 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 192 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: When forming a cabinet, try to include as few parties as possible, while still obtaining a majority of the seats. |
| Random quote: "Dictators ride to and fro upon tigers which they dare not dismount. And the tigers are getting hungry." - Winston Churchill |