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Bill: Women's Choice Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: New Conservative Left
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2442
Description[?]:
| Morality is not for our government to decide. We leave that to the people or when appropriate, the states. Women ought to be able to make their own moral calculus regarding having an abortion. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortions are only allowed in medical emergencies.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:34:44, August 11, 2007 CET | From | National Moral Front | To | Debating the Women's Choice Act |
| Message | The revokation of human life, even the life of an unborn human, is a horrific crime. Should a common killer be allowed this freedom? |
| Date | 00:14:49, August 12, 2007 CET | From | New Conservative Left | To | Debating the Women's Choice Act |
| Message | The NCL recognizes the NMF's concern, but must also point out that during the first and second trimesters of pregnancy, there is literally 0% chance for the fetus to survive without the mother. At that point, it is not an autonomous being and cannot be considered one legally. The NCL would also like to point out that it is fallacious to equivocate abortion to murder. Additionally, this is a vote for returning the rights of the people where they belong: with the people. |
| Date | 05:20:32, August 12, 2007 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Women's Choice Act |
| Message | We support, but we favor abortions during all 3 trimesters even more. |
| Date | 00:36:45, August 13, 2007 CET | From | National Moral Front | To | Debating the Women's Choice Act |
| Message | Whether "autonomous being" or not, it is still a human life, one yet to mature and be birthed, but a person-to-be none the less. You talk of rights, but what of duty? The duty of a mother to her child, of a government to it's people. Surely, if we are not to live in anarchy, we must uphold our duty to protect the rights of the child. |
| Date | 04:32:18, August 13, 2007 CET | From | The Unified Lodamun Party | To | Debating the Women's Choice Act |
| Message | NCL, you must understnad this is a religious question. If you believe that we have souls, and that God created us through creatino, or evolutionary processes, then you believe, as a general rule, that once conception occurs, a soul is born. If it is a soul, it is murder. Also, fetus' are living beings regardless of their being attached to a mother or not, this is why "legally" if a man beats up a pregnanat woman and kills her baby, he's tried for murder. |
| Date | 04:37:32, August 13, 2007 CET | From | New Conservative Left | To | Debating the Women's Choice Act |
| Message | As much of a religious question this is, you must first look at the a priori issue in this argument: is it correct for the government to force religious morals and ideals upon the Lodamese people? We ought to devolve this choice to the people. In this way, the people who are truly religious will choose not to have abortions because of their conflicting religious ideas. Let the people follow their own moral path. |
| Date | 05:36:37, August 13, 2007 CET | From | Free Lodamun | To | Debating the Women's Choice Act |
| Message | To put it plainly, as much as some of us hate to admit it, our society allows abortion to BE a choice. No matter what religious background we come from, no matter our beliefs, we live in a society where half the population feels women should have this option, personal responsibility be damned. Those women desperate enough to want an abortion in the first place WILL find a way to have one, the option of clean, liscened facilities to acquire that should be provided, or at least allowed. The alternative of this, are young pregnant girls seeking help from facilities and people who may not be properly equiped for procedures like this. At least for the first two trimesters, as much as it pains us, this is a necessary evil. However, we will never entertain the option of allowing partial birth abortions or anything in the third trimester. That child can be taken and kept alive after 4 or 5 months (earlier depending on the equipment) and the vast majority of those cases grow to live healthy lives. Free Lodamun's stance is that while we're personally against abortion, it is, sadly, a service that must be kept. |
| Date | 11:17:30, August 13, 2007 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Women's Choice Act |
| Message | The woman makes her choice when she has sex, sex is for reproduction nothing else. The only cases I will agree to abortion is rape and health risks. |
| Date | 11:23:15, August 13, 2007 CET | From | Radical Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Women's Choice Act |
| Message | As for the possibility of illegal Abortions, the NP reccomend that those that perform illegal abortions should charged and executed for murder. |
| Date | 17:22:27, August 13, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the Women's Choice Act |
| Message | Though it is loathsome to say, we must support the Free Lodamun's position on this issue. (It's loathsome on account of the issue...we only find the FL somewhat loathsome *grin*) |
| Date | 21:59:06, August 13, 2007 CET | From | Lodamun Distributionist Party | To | Debating the Women's Choice Act |
| Message | Internal conflicts within the newly reorganized LDP have rendered our last post invalid. |
| Date | 22:04:49, August 13, 2007 CET | From | Independent Republican Party | To | Debating the Women's Choice Act |
| Message | We believe that abortion is the unnecessary taking of an unborn baby's life and should only be used in an absolute medical emergence in which the life of the mother or unborn child is at stake. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 349 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 250 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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