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Bill: City of Moroni Act 2442
Details
Submitted by[?]: Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2443
Description[?]:
WHEREAS, a city has been established immediately south of the border of the Eastern Territories called Moroni
WHEREAS, the Citizens of Moroni have expressed their wish to become a part of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto
RESOLVED, that the City of Moroni is to be included as part of Eastern Territories, and is to be under the authority of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The City is to have a democratically elected government and its citizens are to be afforded the rights of all citizens of the Dual Monarchy of Hulstria & Gao-Soto. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:09:53, August 16, 2007 CET |
From |  Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the City of Moroni Act 2442 | | Message | OOC:This is because I expected Wouter to establish a country where Moroni is rather soon, but since it is unlikely to happen in the near future, I need some way to fix my whole story about moving south. |
| Date | 06:18:59, August 16, 2007 CET |
From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the City of Moroni Act 2442 | | Message | Against, the Mormons and their militant and political wings have already royally screwed over the Dual Monarchy both internally and externally, with their enraging the local Gao Showa population in the Eastern Territory, and their over zealotry of just looking to pick a fight with the first country they can find any ridiciously insane caucus belli. And while we never thought we say this, but do we really want more war hawks in this country, especially those who will most likely continue to advocate war with Deltaria. We neither need nor want this city built in the middle of no where and will provide us with not great assets except a continued stream of radicals defined by a cult faith. We'd sooner advocate a city full of Islamic Jihadists join our great nation then this Moroni. |
| Date | 06:46:33, August 16, 2007 CET |
From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the City of Moroni Act 2442 | | Message | We are a peaceful people. Although our leaders have made mistakes in the past, you should not punish the Citizens of Moroni for these misadventures. My people are patriotic people who only wish the best for the Dual Monarchy.
I fear that you have once again picked up your apartheid policies. |
| Date | 23:46:00, August 16, 2007 CET |
From | Sectual Congress | To | Debating the City of Moroni Act 2442 | | Message | A new Mormon city doesn't really mean new voters. Also, you don't need more seats for more voters. The population grows every year, but we're not just going to keep increasing the number of seats indefinitely. |
| Date | 01:08:27, August 17, 2007 CET |
From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the City of Moroni Act 2442 | | Message | If we begining to use the HNP's apartheid policies there would be visable up roar from the Gao Showa we see none. Likewise apartheid was directed at an ethnic group, Mormons are a religious group not an ethnic one. |
| Date | 06:14:31, August 17, 2007 CET |
From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the City of Moroni Act 2442 | | Message | If we were disciminating against you we wouldn't be having this conversation. We do not want a bunch of over zealous Mormons who will even more agressively push for military action against Deltaria. We would have had not had a problem with his a few year ago, however the MSP has shown that its internal party structure is completely unstable, and that instability will affect how it attempts to run a government. Hell you tried to declare war without the consent of the HoS/HoG, the MoFA, and the MoD. Adding more Mormons to our nation will only make you more volatile then you are already. Maybe your next step will to reorganize yourself as Libertarian Communists instead of "Conservative Socialists". |
| Date | 06:27:49, August 17, 2007 CET |
From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the City of Moroni Act 2442 | | Message | We did not attempt to declare war on Deltaria without support of the proper ministries. We were not informed of that rule until later on.
The Mormon People are a peaceful and patriotic people who want what is best for the Dual Monarchy. The Mormon People are also a democratic people, who will fight injustice at home and abroad. That is why we supported war with Deltaria. And how dare you take out your frustrations with this party out on the people. How dare you attempt to deprive the people who put you into the Lord Protectorship three times the basic rights of all citizens. How dare you attempt to suppress a people who want nothing but the best for this nation. SHAME ON YOU! |
| Date | 09:09:10, August 17, 2007 CET |
From | Sectual Congress | To | Debating the City of Moroni Act 2442 | | Message | My mistake, Revolutionary Socialist Front, it does mean more voters. Anyway, we will vote in favor of this bill because peaceful expansion of our nation is nice. Also, at least they're not trying to fight the people of Gao-Showa again. |
| Date | 17:32:04, August 17, 2007 CET |
From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the City of Moroni Act 2442 | | Message | You want whats best for the Dual Monarchy!?! You want the abolishment of the Dual Monarchy!! How dare YOU, pretend to care about the well being of the Hulstrian and Gao Showa Peoples while you privately plot to overthrow they most beloved institution. You supported war with Deltaria, because we called you on your," Oh lets go invade Kazulia because they're communists and they assassinated their King." You even tried to provoke a war them after we proved Kazulia's last King died of natural causes, and we should know considering the Kazulian and Hulstrian Royal Families intermarried which resulted in a Hulstrian Archduchess being Queen of Kazulia and a Kazulian Princess being Empress of Hulstria. You are nothing more then rabid war hawks who wish to see the sons of Hulstria and of Gao Soto die in a foreign conflict that in no way would have directly influenced us. We are not the world police, it is not our job to interfere in other nations' affairs, there are many countries with ethnic strife and dictotal governments and you then advocate that we invade them and force our way of thinking on them. Who says our beliefs are best? We know for a fact the only thing democracy in Deltaria has ever produced is a completely unstable government at best. But don't listen to us, we're only the oldest party in the nation and have had more exprience with world diplomacy in our pinky finger then you all have between you.
And don't try and tell us that without your support we could not have had Rudolph von Rothingren-Traugott-Isyln elected Lord Protector, because that is a lie. In the election of 2435, we not only won without your support, but your candidate didn't even make it to the second round of voting. And the only reason we had your support was because we promised to vote toward decentralizing the government, a deal which you attempted to back out of because we didin't vote for you cabinent proposal that was not in our best interest, voting for your cabinents we mind you were not part of the deal.
Also, you did try to declare war without the proper cabinent authority, just because you didin't know the rules of war in this nation and throughout Terra doesn't mean you didn't try to get away with it. But that again just goes back to the facts that you are a bunch of rabid war hawks and and have the political exprience of field mice.
On a final note, we are not opressing your people, so stop trying to us that against us because honestly you have a very skewed view of the world. We are not locking Mormons up and shipping them back to Deltaria, we simply oppose adding more of your violent cult to our great nation. This city of Moroni, which we think is an ironic name, it has the word moron right in it, will continue to be your "mor[m]onic paradise" it just won't be part of our fair nation.
Shame on us you say...
Well...
SHAME ON YOU!!!! |
| Date | 18:12:32, August 17, 2007 CET |
From | Socialist Party of Greater Hulstria | To | Debating the City of Moroni Act 2442 | | Message | How dare you insult the name of the great prophet Moroni. You obviously do not care about anyone but your own people. And the fact is that the Mormonism in this country is a reality, and there is nothing you can do to get rid of us, No matter how much you try. You are an oppressor. We thought you had thought you had dropped your racist beliefs, but apparently you have not. SHAME ON YOU! |
| Date | 20:47:17, August 17, 2007 CET |
From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the City of Moroni Act 2442 | | Message | For the last time Mormons are not a race, you are a religion. And we thought you'd dropped your extremists Republican views but obviously we were wrong. And yes, we look out for the security of the Colonial and Native peoples of the Dual Monarchy before a group of zealous cultists. |
| Date | 07:37:11, August 18, 2007 CET |
From | Sectual Congress | To | Debating the City of Moroni Act 2442 | | Message | You do tend to use the word "racist" incorrectly a lot, MSP. I think the word you're looking for, to describe anti-Mormons, is either "bigot/bigoted" or simply "anti-Mormon." You could also use "prejudiced." I often have to explain this to people who think hating Jews makes someone racist. |
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| yes | Total Seats: 277 |
| no | Total Seats: 196 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 27 |
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