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Bill: Making slight Changes in Economy, Health, and Justice Bill 2445
Details
Submitted by[?]: God's and the King's Fighters
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2448
Description[?]:
| Ad 1: We cannot let our people be destroyed by industrial drugs, may they be refined or fully created using industrial methods. Those drugs are much more dangerous than natural occurring ones, and in order to prevent the huge amount of drug-deads surely to come, we should ban those destroyers of body and mind. Ad 2: Why shouldn't we let children earn some money of their own during their holidays, if they want to do so? Ad 3: A cap on monetary damages only helps the rich people of Hutori. We need to take the cap away, in order to have the chance to hurt the rich people too, if we don't do so, they will have no problems with committing more offenses. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning child labour.
Old value:: Child labour is forbidden.
Current: Child labour is forbidden.
Proposed: Child labour is allowed, but with additional regulations to those of adult labourers.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Tort reform on non-civil lawsuits.
Old value:: There is a cap on monetary damages awarded to patients in lawsuits.
Current: There is no cap on monetary damages awarded to patients in lawsuits.
Proposed: There is no cap on monetary damages awarded to patients in lawsuits.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The recreational drug policy.
Old value:: There are no laws regulating what citizens can put into their bodies.
Current: All naturally occurring drugs are legal.
Proposed: All naturally occurring drugs are legal.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:09:33, August 22, 2007 CET | From | God's and the King's Fighters | To | Debating the Making slight Changes in Economy, Health, and Justice Bill 2445 |
| Message | What do the other parties think? |
| Date | 16:15:14, August 22, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Making slight Changes in Economy, Health, and Justice Bill 2445 |
| Message | Article 3 is agreed. As for Article 2: Child Labour and a child having a job on his/her holidays are two completely separate things. |
| Date | 16:20:42, August 22, 2007 CET | From | God's and the King's Fighters | To | Debating the Making slight Changes in Economy, Health, and Justice Bill 2445 |
| Message | Actually, Child Labour is not exclusively the exploitation of children in a society that is so poor that they have to do so, but in general a term for children working before reaching the required age to be considered adults. Please note furthermore, that there would be additional regulations to ensure the child's well-being as well. So, if exploitation is prohibited, why shouldn't children get the chance to work, if they want to? |
| Date | 16:27:13, August 22, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Making slight Changes in Economy, Health, and Justice Bill 2445 |
| Message | Exploitation is subject to interpretation. I accept the point you're making, but on principle and due to policy wording, still disagree with the changes. (OOC: Damn the lack of detail in these policies! Call me boring, but I'm happy to read 700-odd page legislation to get the full 'gist' of it!) |
| Date | 00:31:07, August 23, 2007 CET | From | Anarchistic Kritarchy Party | To | Debating the Making slight Changes in Economy, Health, and Justice Bill 2445 |
| Message | I might see some good in article 2, but there would have to be a limit on how young they can be, plus some sort of minimum wage enforced. |
| Date | 12:03:52, August 23, 2007 CET | From | "Le Chaim" - Aesthetic Party | To | Debating the Making slight Changes in Economy, Health, and Justice Bill 2445 |
| Message | Ad 1: I dont' think it makes much difference in times like these, when also naturally occuring drugs get stronger and more dangerous by selective growing... Ad 2: This is a question of principle. The liberals are right saying exploitation is subject to interpretation (ooc.: although I can't understand the enthusiasm concerning 700 page legislation..). Do not forget that every possibility we give may (and will) be used in every way it can be used, that means not only in the ways we want it to be used. Ad 3: I'm not quite sure about that one. We will discuss this in our party commissions. Moysche Edelstein, party's office for external communication |
| Date | 22:58:18, August 26, 2007 CET | From | God's and the King's Fighters | To | Debating the Making slight Changes in Economy, Health, and Justice Bill 2445 |
| Message | Ad 1: Never as strong and as harmful as industrial ones. Ad 2: However, even if they try to use every possibility to use this law for exploitation, we have a quite good way to prevent this, because of this part: "but with additional regulations to those of adult labourers." Now, this shouldn't be even necessary, because the fact that we have to use this amendment to the law at all, shows that there is already exploitation in our country concerning adult workers. Therefore, there are two ways this can work: Either, there is no exploitation in our country, and therefore this amendment allows us "only" to ensure additional safety rules and stuff like this, when it comes to child labour, which would be the favourable method, or there is exploitation in our country, this being exploitation of grown up workers, which has to be prevented also, but in another bill, and in this case, the amendment gives us the power to eliminate precisely the factors that can lead to exploitation with adult workers. In either way, children are able to work, if they want to, without being exploited. |
| Date | 23:14:58, August 26, 2007 CET | From | Anarchistic Kritarchy Party | To | Debating the Making slight Changes in Economy, Health, and Justice Bill 2445 |
| Message | But what about drugs that are absolutely necessary for life? Such as laboratory made insulin? |
| Date | 04:26:46, August 27, 2007 CET | From | Hutorian Anarcho-Communist Party | To | Debating the Making slight Changes in Economy, Health, and Justice Bill 2445 |
| Message | Insulin is not a recreational drug, now is it? |
| Date | 09:22:47, August 27, 2007 CET | From | God's and the King's Fighters | To | Debating the Making slight Changes in Economy, Health, and Justice Bill 2445 |
| Message | Insulin is medication. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 54 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 108 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 55 |
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