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Bill: Medical Freedom.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party for Equality
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2096
Description[?]:
| People should have the freedom to decide what they do with their own bodies. Because there is no official religion of the state, religious reasons are not justification for the illegalisation of abortion - those who have religious beliefs about this are free to follow them in peace. A fetus in the early stages is scientifically no more human than individual reproductive cells and has no consciousness or pain. The lives of the mothers must be taken into consideration, and in many cases giving life to an unwanted child would be cruel to both the parents and the child. Euthanasia should be legal with consent of patient and doctor, as long as the patient has mental stability and is not coerced in any way. People have a right to end their own suffering. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: All abortions are illegal.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The right to euthanasia.
Old value:: Euthanasia is illegal and considered murder.
Current: Euthanasia is allowed with consent from the patient and the treating doctor.
Proposed: Euthanasia is allowed with consent from the patient and the treating doctor.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:33:28, August 14, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Medical Freedom. |
| Message | The second article is less important in my opinion, so if there is opposition based on this article I will remove it. |
| Date | 16:13:34, August 14, 2005 CET | From | Likatonia Anarcho-Communist Greens Party | To | Debating the Medical Freedom. |
| Message | we agree with the second though not necessarily with the first |
| Date | 21:33:46, August 14, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Medical Freedom. |
| Message | Any specific reasons? or has this debate been had too many times before...? |
| Date | 22:04:23, August 14, 2005 CET | From | Citizens Voice | To | Debating the Medical Freedom. |
| Message | I would gladly accept the first article, but I'm having serious thoughts about the second one... |
| Date | 10:28:48, August 15, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Medical Freedom. |
| Message | care to share them? I'd like a debate so that I can hear your objections. |
| Date | 11:45:35, August 15, 2005 CET | From | Söhne der Freiheit | To | Debating the Medical Freedom. |
| Message | Never! Anyone lobbying for the destruction of human beings through abortion and euthanasia will be dispersed for posing a potential harm to the Likatonian society under our powers in the Security in Independance Act. http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=11980 |
| Date | 14:34:48, August 15, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Medical Freedom. |
| Message | We are perfectly within our rights to campaign for what we believe to be best for our people. See the press release in the RP above. |
| Date | 22:42:28, August 15, 2005 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Medical Freedom. |
| Message | I have no problem with the second article, as all parties involved have to give consent before any action can be taken, and we believe that persons of legal age have a right to control over thier life. As to Article 1, however, "A fetus in the early stages is scientifically no more human than individual reproductive cells and has no consciousness or pain" is a statement of belief which many would debate. At some point in the development, a group of cells becomes human and has a soul, for lack of a better term. Whatever you may call it, there is something which divides sentient beings from lower forms. As there is no way to prove where this change occurs, we feel that the most conservative approach must be taken to avoid error. Therefore, we must oppose any legalization of abortions as the possibility exists of one of the human beings involved not being able to give consent. |
| Date | 23:41:46, August 15, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Medical Freedom. |
| Message | "there is something which divides sentient beings from lower forms." I do not for one moment deny this, but a fetus this small certainly has no consciousness or sense of self. During the first trimester it hardly has a brain. therefore it is not yet sentient. Souls are something you may or may not believe in. There has never been any proof one way or the other. If you do believe that embryos have souls, you are free not to have an abortion, but, like religious belief, it is unfair to say that everybody else should adhere to this practice regardless of their belief on the matter. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 88 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 80 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 42 |
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