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Bill: Judicial Reform Proposal of 2453
Details
Submitted by[?]: Plato's Republican Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2454
Description[?]:
| Given the state of Sekowo, both politically and socially, we feel that the time is right to make some minor changes to the manner in which the Police function as a body designed to maintain order in all situations. Additionally, we wish to address some concerns regarding the openness of our society compared to other less-permissive nations, and the potential legal problems that can arise. To that end, this bill proposes to provide the established Police forces with Military support only during major emergencies, such as natural disasters wherein evacuation procedures may require a great deal more manpower than the Police can provide. Secondly, it wishes to maintain the primarily nonlethal methods of dealing with dangerous individuals, but considering the rise of international terrorism and other serious threats to life and liberty, it calls for the establishment of specialized, highly-trained units utilizing lethal methods of peacekeeping. Finally, this bill calls for the blanket denial of extradition to other countries of anyone who is a citizen or immigrant of Sekowo. It is our hope that this bill will close gaps that threaten the peace and stability of the country while ensuring that our citizens feel safer travelling abroad. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The weapons used by police forces.
Old value:: Police officers may only carry non-lethal weapons.
Current: Police officers may only carry standard firearms apart from specially trained firearms units.
Proposed: Police officers may only carry non-lethal weapons apart from specially trained firearms units.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:42:09, September 10, 2007 CET | From |  帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Judicial Reform Proposal of 2453 |
| Message | The DSP is fine with how our extradition policies are as it is. We feel that the military is not needed to back up the police since we have a great police force as is. We approve of the last proposal. |
| Date | 23:21:12, September 10, 2007 CET | From | Plato's Republican Party | To | Debating the Judicial Reform Proposal of 2453 |
| Message | Consider: In Sekowo it is perfectly legal to possess and distribute, for example, tabs of Ecstasy. In other nations, however, such acts can easily result in serious penalties including jail time. Sekowans abroad who are merely engaging in what is to them harmless and legal activities can be brought to task through extradition and sentenced to jail time, which is most certainly not cruel or inhumane but is not in following with our own laws. Please also remember that any citizens suspected of committing a serious crime abroad will be investigated, but on Sekowan terms as they are citizens of Sekowo. Additionally, Plato's Republicans recognize the excellence of our police force, but also understand that certain extreme events can limit or incapacitate their effectiveness, and we feel that it is important to have a system in place which can assist them in their duties, particularly by providing large amounts of skilled manpower at a moment's notice. We in the PRP hope that you will reconsider this proposal, as we feel that it is very important to the continued safety and well-being of our citizens and our nation. |
| Date | 23:33:18, September 10, 2007 CET | From |  Chattes en Chaleur | To | Debating the Judicial Reform Proposal of 2453 |
| Message | CeC would support this. We believe that citizens of Sekowo have a right to not be extradited, but we do not believe that means they should not be held accountable if they break any laws or international laws we recognize. |
| Date | 23:39:41, September 10, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Judicial Reform Proposal of 2453 |
| Message | The term when in Rome, do as the Romans comes to mind. When our citizens are abroad they should realize they must abide by the rules of the country they are in. If that means a 5,000 SEK fine and a month in jail in the country they have broken the law in, than so be it. As for the police force, well we just don't believe the national military should ever be involved with police work. If it were to ever get that bad each Exarchy has it's own regional guard to call on to help there police. |
| Date | 00:31:36, September 11, 2007 CET | From | Sekowan Communist Party | To | Debating the Judicial Reform Proposal of 2453 |
| Message | We are not against Article 2, but oppose Articles 1 and 3. Would the PRP extradite a refugee? Under the new law, if the refugee broke any law, however minor, in their home country, they would have to be extradited. The punishment might even be death, torture, or any other unimaginable crime against humanity, but they would be extradited nonetheless. Extradition has /nothing/ to do with a Sekowan's indiscretions abroad. One abides by the laws of the country one is in, and that is how it goes. As for the 3 proposal, if the situation ever got bad enough that the military had to be called in, it would no longer be a police action anyways. |
| Date | 01:14:27, September 11, 2007 CET | From | Plato's Republican Party | To | Debating the Judicial Reform Proposal of 2453 |
| Message | OOC: Extradition laws are so much more complicated than the simple choices presented, but in light of the opposition I'll stick with our laws as they are. I'd like to combine both, however, because SCP raises a good point. Maybe in Paragon. I stand by Article 3 (now called Article 2), because it ensures that if the military is ever needed, it will be used under the direction of the civilian police force. Without this important aspect, should the military ever be called in they would be headed by the military, and not necessarily accountable to a civilian police force. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 249 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 230 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 120 |
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