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Bill: Armed Forces Reform Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Revolucia Partio de Koburo
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2456
Description[?]:
| "Cobura does not need chemical or nuclear weapons. No nation does. Such weapons are of no military value whatsoever and their sole purpose is to cause indiscriminate suffering and destruction. We can permit ourselves to give in to the temptation of producing such weapons. They will only come back to haunt us, and I don't wish to see Cobura destroyed in Terra wide nuclear holocaust. Please, think of the consequences of such monstrous weaponry. The intelligence service should not have a license to run riot in other nations. They are supposed to protect us, not cause suffering and unrest to others. They can protect us fine well by simply monitoring known threats and intercepting their communications. It would be immoral and a threat to national sovereignty to go any further. Finally, the defence industries need to be completely state owned. The Armed Forces should not be paying billion's to corporations for weapons and equipment we could easily produce ourselves. The Armed Forces should decide the new weapons we need, not men in suits. By bringing things under our control we can produce more effective and worthwhile weapons systems." -Erik von Witzland, Defence Minister |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation shall never develop, purchase or store biological or chemical weaponry.
Proposed: The nation shall never develop, purchase or store biological or chemical weaponry.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Current: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Proposed: The state owns all defence industries.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Nation's policy with regards to an intelligence agency.
Old value:: The nation has an intelligence agency that is permitted by law to undertake all types of covert operations in other countries.
Current: The nation has an intelligence agency, but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries.
Proposed: The nation has an intelligence agency, but it is limited to counter-intelligence and surveillance of other countries.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The policy with respect to nuclear weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never produce or store nuclear weaponry for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation shall never develop, produce or store nuclear weaponry.
Proposed: The nation shall never develop, produce or store nuclear weaponry.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:38:22, September 13, 2007 CET | From |  Democratic Labour Party of Cobura | To | Debating the Armed Forces Reform Bill |
| Message | Disagree with article 2, as it stands |
| Date | 03:40:54, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Armed Forces Reform Bill |
| Message | "Why? Don't you understand the abuses that will take place if we continue to allow our intelligence services to do all sorts of things in sovereign nations? They must be brought under stricter controls." |
| Date | 14:55:46, September 13, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Reform Party of Cobura | To | Debating the Armed Forces Reform Bill |
| Message | Nonononononononon ;D |
| Date | 00:32:21, September 14, 2007 CET | From | Modern Economic Party of Cobura | To | Debating the Armed Forces Reform Bill |
| Message | yes to all but 3 |
| Date | 04:01:13, September 14, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Armed Forces Reform Bill |
| Message | No arguments then? Just no? |
| Date | 16:53:10, September 14, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Armed Forces Reform Bill |
| Message | Funny that no one actually has a coherent argument against what I propose. I'll just take that as a sign of moral victory. |
| Date | 19:17:13, September 14, 2007 CET | From | Party for Individualism and Kitties | To | Debating the Armed Forces Reform Bill |
| Message | we need to be able to defend ourselves. That's the argunment |
| Date | 20:16:41, September 14, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Armed Forces Reform Bill |
| Message | No. That's a statement. A statement which doesn't address my proposal in any way. Try again. |
| Date | 11:34:04, September 15, 2007 CET | From | Party for Individualism and Kitties | To | Debating the Armed Forces Reform Bill |
| Message | it does adress your proposal. |
| Date | 12:08:19, September 15, 2007 CET | From | Revolucia Partio de Koburo | To | Debating the Armed Forces Reform Bill |
| Message | No. It doesn't. Where does my proposal say ANYTHING about not defending ourselves? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 171 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 291 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 38 |
| Random fact: The voters enjoy active parties who take upon themselves the initiative to create laws. |
| Random quote: "If we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people to not kill each other? Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want." - Mother Teresa of Calcutta quotes |