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Bill: Minimum Income Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Theofascist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2101
Description[?]:
| People should not be left entirely to their own resources. But this should not last forever. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Current: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:19:01, August 16, 2005 CET |
From | Kirlawa Green Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Act | | Message | we don't agree with the determined period of time. Who can determine how long you'll be unemployed? |
| Date | 13:25:48, August 16, 2005 CET |
From | Kirlawa Freedom Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Act | | Message | The determination on limiting the amount of time has to do with the priciple that incentives should be made that people get out of unemployment. By giving grants for infinite time, people tend to become lazy and not making any effort in finding a job |
| Date | 23:43:49, August 16, 2005 CET |
From | Kirlawa Green Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Act | | Message | well we don't consider them as incentives. we're not debating a system of incentives (we would agree with such a system) but a system to keep people out of poverty and helping them in a difficult time. What will happen to them if they don't get any money anymore? |
| Date | 06:20:50, August 18, 2005 CET |
From | Federalist Labour Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Act | | Message | Income isn't a right, a viable job is. We support National Business welfare and firmly reject this proposal of forced wealth redistribution and theft by the state. |
| Date | 16:59:22, August 20, 2005 CET |
From | Kirlawa Freedom Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Act | | Message | They need to be helped with education and finding a new job. In that time they can get some minimum income |
| Date | 18:33:00, August 20, 2005 CET |
From | Federalist Labour Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Act | | Message | KGP, the establishment of National Business, would make full employment a possibility. But, you will never support national industry, because you believe it's not stealing to take from those that, quote have "enough". I suppose with that logic in mind, I ought to drive to Beverly Hills, find some mansion with multiple garages, and *redistribute* a new sports car to my self. |
| Date | 23:54:36, August 21, 2005 CET |
From | Whig Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Act | | Message | Agreed. If this could be put to a vote, that'd be cool. |
| Date | 22:35:18, August 25, 2005 CET |
From | Kirlawa Freedom Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Act | | Message | People should get some help, but should get incentives to get a new job as well. so we can agree with the time constraint. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 149 |
| no | Total Seats: 152 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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