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Bill: Constitutional Monarchy Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Covenanters (IA)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2099
Description[?]:
| An Act to restore the Royal family of the old Oalapan Empire as constitutional monarchs; including provisions to limit their power by removing the head of state's monopoly on proposing cabinets and other connected legislation. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Only the Head of State can propose a cabinet coalition.
Current: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Proposed: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Consul
Current: His Irrevocable Imperial Majesty, by the Almighty's Grace, Inheritor of the House of Elior, Inheritor of the House of Orange-Villayn, Inheritor of the House of Rothingren-Traugott, Albert, Emperor of Luthori, King of Mordusia, King of Rutania, Meleh (King) of the Yeudi Homeland, Head of the House of Orange-Villayn Armstead, Duke of Alcarie, Duke of Canterwall, Holder of the Yeudi Crown of 8 Gems, Supreme Governor of the Church, Defender of the Faith, Defender of the Holy Land.
Proposed:
| His Majesty King Her Majesty Queen |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:04:40, August 18, 2005 CET | From | House of Thompson | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | We will never vote for this. |
| Date | 18:58:34, August 18, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | yes, of course: taking a step backwards to a barbarian empire is always a good thing </sarcasm> this will never pass |
| Date | 19:52:54, August 18, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | It got me a shed load of seats though, thanks very much! |
| Date | 19:53:30, August 18, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | And it was the barbarians who opposed the Empire. |
| Date | 22:12:56, August 18, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | anyone who uses torture, is ruled by a dictator, or any one of a number of things in this bill is a barbarian. |
| Date | 23:20:24, August 18, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | This will act as my flagship bill for this parliament and my election manifesto for the next one. Feel free to oppose it and gift me more seats at the next election if that's what you want. |
| Date | 01:42:20, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | (Err, just for the record guys, the empire is in the History of Luthori, if any of you bothered to read my work. And YES, I WILL be adding more. Just gimme time, mmmkay?) |
| Date | 04:38:18, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | I read it a few weeks back, and am waiting to find out what happened to Kiji. I await the next part with earnest, but am willing to wait (I know good stories cannot be rushed). |
| Date | 09:08:46, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | Vote for this bill and he can add the Commonwealth era to the history books. |
| Date | 16:49:23, August 19, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | "Feel free to oppose it and gift me more seats at the next election if that's what you want." i highly doubt you will. after the number of bills you've proposed, your positions are pretty clear, and you've rallied about as many supporters as you will. |
| Date | 21:33:08, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | We'll see. Now will Labour, the Guardians and the CPP please discuss any amendments they'd like to see that are likely to gain their votes for this? |
| Date | 03:35:36, August 20, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | As long as articles one, two, four, six, seven, eight, nine and ten remain in the bill, there is no chance of the LLP supporting it. 1. We deplore the use of WMDs and torture, for both these practices are barbaric and savage. 2. We support democracy, and won't limit citizenship or nationality, or the rights of those living in the Commonwealth of Luthori. 3 . We support aid and the acceptance of all refugees, just because they weren't born Luthori, doesn't make them any less deserving of decent living standards. 4. We support having politically independent government employees, for their role is not in politics, but serving the nation. We don't want to see the establishment of an empire, we do not want to return to a less civilised time, Luthori must be a beacon to those less enlightened parts of Terra, not become part of them. We have no problem with constitutional monarchies, but we have a problem with absolute monarchies. |
| Date | 09:20:08, August 20, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | These proposed changes are acceptable to the DUP. Establishing a constitutional monarchy is our real goal: the other stuff was just about winning votes. I'll keep this at the debate stage for now while we iron out the details. Call it a second reading. |
| Date | 20:36:39, August 21, 2005 CET | From | Union for a Socialist Democracy | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | The USD does not see how a constitutional monarchy can be in any way egalitarian. Monarchy is not compatible with popular freedom in the Commonwealth. |
| Date | 20:41:37, August 21, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | It's purpose is to remove the head of state from party politics, restoring dignity to the post by taking it out of the hands of grubby politicians (like us). |
| Date | 20:44:29, August 22, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | it also takes the decision out of the hands of the people. if people do not get some say over who rules them, it is a dictatorship, no matter how many laws are in place limiting it. |
| Date | 21:28:54, August 22, 2005 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the Constitutional Monarchy Bill |
| Message | What complete nonsense. It's a constitutional change that can be altered at any time with a 2/3 majority. Are you really saying HM The Queen is a 'dictator' and couldn't be removed if it's what the people wanted? Ask Charles I or James II about that! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 176 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 359 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 164 |
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