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Bill: Defence of the Realm II Act, 2097
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Imperialist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2102
Description[?]:
In the wake of the Beluzia incident, we have been scared to produce chemical and biological weapons. THe LIP, however, seeing that other nations produce and assert the right to use them, declare that we must in turn declare the right to produce and use them in responce to a first strike. In this way we can deter all but the most desperate of enemies from using them against us in anger, and placate scare mongers in Beluzia.
ADDENDUM
This only applies to chemical weapons and not biological weapons. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Current: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Current: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Proposed: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:54:07, August 18, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Defence of the Realm II Act, 2097 | | Message | [OOC: As an ooc note, the "The nation shall never use chemical or biological weapons in warfare unless another nation uses them first." option wasnt available at the time of the Beluzia stuff.] |
| Date | 15:43:36, August 18, 2005 CET |
From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Defence of the Realm II Act, 2097 | | Message | Against both articles. Simply because our enemies use them doesn't mean we should sink to their level. And I thought we had established that only research into the technology was necessary for developing vaccins and cures for biological or chemical weapons. |
| Date | 21:31:37, August 18, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Defence of the Realm II Act, 2097 | | Message | How about if I add an Addendum that says it only applies to chemical weapons? Biological weapons are just plain dangerous and not useful at all in war, but chems are and we should reserve the right to respond if they're used against our troops. |
| Date | 22:02:40, August 18, 2005 CET |
From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Defence of the Realm II Act, 2097 | | Message | "Are you seriously saying that you authorise a nuclear strike in responce to a chemical attack against troops in the field?"
No, I am not. I'm simply saying that if we follow your logic of a nuclear deterrant, no nation would even consider a chemical strike against us. |
| Date | 00:47:08, August 19, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Defence of the Realm II Act, 2097 | | Message | They may not launch a chemical strike against our cities (such a strike would be completely ineffective anyway if you care to read up on chemical weapons, but whatever) but they know we arent mad enough to launch a nuclear responce to chemical weapons used against troops in the field.
Freedom Party - with my proposed addendum will you support this bill? |
| Date | 17:24:11, August 19, 2005 CET |
From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Defence of the Realm II Act, 2097 | | Message | I read up on cloning, and it didn't change my mind. It only made me more convinced.
And I know very well what chemical weapons are, thank you. And I also know that spreading chemical weapons in a gaseous form will backfire if the wind turns. If the wind turns, the poisonous gass might cover a village and make thousands of innocent civilian casualties. |
| Date | 20:43:43, August 19, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Defence of the Realm II Act, 2097 | | Message | If you think that you can clone exactly copies of famous people, kill the real people and then get the clones to obey your every will then you really know nothing about cloning whatsoever, and it saddens me to know that people want to ban it whilst not understand it.
"And I know very well what chemical weapons are, thank you. And I also know that spreading chemical weapons in a gaseous form will backfire if the wind turns. If the wind turns, the poisonous gass might cover a village and make thousands of innocent civilian casualties."
THis is a matter of military doctrine, not a matter of principle. |
| Date | 13:21:45, August 20, 2005 CET |
From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Defence of the Realm II Act, 2097 | | Message | Still against, sorry. I see no need to have biological and chemical weapons. If they use chemical or biological weapons first, then i will have no hesitation to use nuclear weapons in response. |
| Date | 15:48:48, August 24, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Defence of the Realm II Act, 2097 | | Message | "Still against, sorry. I see no need to have biological and chemical weapons. If they use chemical or biological weapons first, then i will have no hesitation to use nuclear weapons in response."
Then you're a stark raving lunatic. (no offence). |
| Date | 21:03:03, August 24, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Defence of the Realm II Act, 2097 | | Message | So both the Liberty Movement and the Rutania Social Democrat Party will "never" take the situation more seriously...? That doesnt sound like a very sensible or constructive position to take. |
| Date | 15:12:48, August 27, 2005 CET |
From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Defence of the Realm II Act, 2097 | | Message | OOC: So when I propose stuff that yuo and Freedom dont support it's "abusing the game" but when you propose laws that Freedom doesnt support it isnt mentioned...? Talk about hippocracy. |
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| Vote |
Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 393 |
| no | Total Seats: 206 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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