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Bill: Professional Fire Fighters
Details
Submitted by[?]: Tuesday Is Coming
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2099
Description[?]:
| We currently require local governments to provide public fire departments. This will allow the private sector to manage this duty more efficiently, while allowing the local governments to choose from a competitive selection of companies. Proposed: The government competitively subcontracts firefighting services. This bill will require local governments to choose from different firms offering firefighting services. Each city/county/town will be responsible for hiring a certain level of fire department services. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Firefighting services.
Old value:: Fire prevention and management is left to the local governments.
Current: Fire prevention and management is left to the local governments.
Proposed: The government competitively subcontracts firefighting services.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:00:19, August 18, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Professional Fire Fighters |
| Message | reserving any comment until an actual bill is presented. |
| Date | 18:15:06, August 18, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Professional Fire Fighters |
| Message | No subcontracting, leave it to local governments. |
| Date | 19:03:35, August 18, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Professional Fire Fighters |
| Message | "reserving any comment until an actual bill is presented." Any suggestions on the description for this one? |
| Date | 21:54:18, August 18, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Professional Fire Fighters |
| Message | we would prefer a volunteer firefighting department, over selling the rights to fight fires to the highest bidder. Volunteer firefighters are far more likely to take pride in their work than companies driven by the profit motive, and we are not at all sure that fighting fires is a job for the private sector -- quite apart from the fact that we would prefer to see this left to local governments. We are willing to be persuaded otherwise, but only by a bill presenting concrete arguments as to the need to make this change. So we can hardly make suggestions... |
| Date | 00:22:02, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Professional Fire Fighters |
| Message | OOC This will be left in debate until I have enough free time to commit to a productive debate here. Classes just started and Ive been kindof busy. |
| Date | 01:11:48, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Adam Smith Party | To | Debating the Professional Fire Fighters |
| Message | The current situation is that there are untrained non specialists risking their lives very bravely but ineffectively and unfortunately many innocent people are dying or being badly injured due to their well meaning but incompetent service. In addition to this there is a non competitive system of purchasing equipment using public funds and a never ending expense account that is ineficient in meeting its proposed purpose. What this bill proposes is to place the provision of this essential service in the hands of trained professionals, using the leatest and most eficient equipment, all at a lower cost to the public, both in financial terms and in lives and injuries. A volunteer fireman has to have some other occupation, which prevents them from being able to keep fully up to date on techniques, prevents them from keeping in peak physical condition and adds long delays to the response times to emergency calls. There would be, however, nothing preventing a charity organisation from tendering a bid to provide this service, provided they can meet the minimum standards that will be included in the contract terms. The argument that the service would be given automaticaly to the lowest bidder ignores the terms of the contract that will require certain performance standards, responsse time guarantees, equipment age limits etc. The service will provide the cover needed, as decided by the local government, at the lowest cost to the tax payer. |
| Date | 05:27:41, August 19, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Professional Fire Fighters |
| Message | Let the local government decide whether they want to subcontract or not. If Rapula feel the need to subcontract, so be it, if Golavia wants a state fire department, we should not be the ones to deprive them of that right. |
| Date | 23:22:44, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Professional Fire Fighters |
| Message | we suggest that the local governments bill be passed for now, and this one be revisited once the TIC party has had time to decide what it wishes to achieve. |
| Date | 23:38:27, August 19, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Professional Fire Fighters |
| Message | ((Ill let ASP propose this bill. Im getting busier in RL...girls, parties, college, etc.) |
| Date | 21:57:47, August 21, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Professional Fire Fighters |
| Message | If you're not putting it to a vote, maybe cancel it to reduce clutter. |
| Date | 22:25:29, August 21, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Professional Fire Fighters |
| Message | At the request of the ASP: "I don't have time to debate much at the moment... ...it is your bill, you present it." It will be put to a vote shortly. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 239 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 211 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: By default the head of government is the ultimate authority within a national government. In general terms, heads of government are expected to consult with cabinet colleagues (including those from other parties) before making significant decisions but they remain responsible for government action. |
| Random quote: "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." - Thomas Jefferson |