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Bill: Demilitarization reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Revolutionary Army Left Movement
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2465
Description[?]:
| NO to nuclear and chemical weapon |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Current: The nation shall never develop, purchase or store biological or chemical weaponry.
Proposed: The nation shall never develop, purchase or store biological or chemical weaponry.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of chemical and biological weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to use chemical or biological weapons in warfare for any reason.
Current: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Proposed: The nation shall never use chemical or biological weaponry in warfare.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the use of nuclear weaponry in warfare.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in retaliation to any attack.
Current: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Proposed: The nation shall never use nuclear weapons in warfare.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The policy with respect to nuclear weaponry.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Current: The nation shall never develop, produce or store nuclear weaponry.
Proposed: The nation shall never develop, produce or store nuclear weaponry.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:07:46, October 03, 2007 CET | From |  Liberty Party | To | Debating the Demilitarization reform |
| Message | "Why? This would undermine our strategic defense system and throw the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction, which has kept the peace during some of the most turbulent times on Terra. Through this ridiculous proposal you demonstrate your utter ignorance of why nuclear and biological weapons where developed in the first place, and why they've almost never being used, and when they have, they've saved many lives for both sides and brought an end to the said conflict" OCC: Christ, if Commie USSR didn't have nuclear weapons, guess where the US ones would have being landing once they recovered from WWII. Speaking of WWII, guess how that conflict ended? In Europe, Soviet utter disrespect for human life and what turned out to be a massive territory grab, and in Japan, military genius and citizen revolt to the socialistic Japanese forces, and in the end, 2 nuclear bombs. An actual invasion of Japan would have cost billions, millions of lives on both sides, including far more civilian then the 2 bombs created, and a sign to the emerging Communist Dictatorship, the USSR, that the Liberty Loving West were not afraid to use all the power at their disposal to defeat authoritarians. |
| Date | 17:58:28, October 03, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Army Left Movement | To | Debating the Demilitarization reform |
| Message | "I love this! Keep peace with weapons!" F.Bertin OCC: thinking that a some ammount of life is sacrifycable is really sad. We should are all at the same level of importance Sorry for my english, i'll try to do my best and many times i can't succed well |
| Date | 18:15:02, October 03, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the Demilitarization reform |
| Message | OCC: @Commies: Where are you fom? @Liberty: Well, Liberty Loving West is e little bit too euphemistic. The usage of nuclear weapons was a crime. |
| Date | 21:17:28, October 03, 2007 CET | From | Revolutionary Army Left Movement | To | Debating the Demilitarization reform |
| Message | OCC: @NAM: Italy |
| Date | 02:55:31, October 04, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Demilitarization reform |
| Message | OCC: @ Commies: Sometimes you make sense, sometimes you use words that make sense but sound really funny, words that fluent English speakers would never use in the sentences you try to type, like saying "succeed well"; just doesn't sound right. @NAM: .......I assume your ignorant of the atrocities committed by the Japanese? A crime..... But that's beside the point. Nuclear weapons (the first one was really all that was needed, the State's jumped the gun when they bombed Nagasaki in my opinion. Hirioshima probably wasn't completely necessary either, dropping a bomb a few kilometers outside Tokyo Harbor might have being enough to tell the Japs we mean business) were used instead of a planned Invasion of Japan. That would have wiped out virtually all of Japan's standing army of 500K, around 300K of US forces, and far more citizens then the bombs killed. Keep in mind Hiroshima and Nagasaki were virtually the only 2 Japanese cities left. The rest were flattened by conventional bombings. The Japanese just refused to surrender. America was not the culprit. The Japanese government was. |
| Date | 15:25:05, October 04, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the Demilitarization reform |
| Message | OCC: Oh, I really know about axis crimes during WWII. But there was no nuclear weapon needed because Japan was no threat to the US homelands any longer. Wiping out the japanese fleet and naval bases with smaller, (probably nuclear) bombs would have had the same impact without killing about 500.000 people. I'm not against nuclear weapons. But I'm strictly agains offensive nuclear warfare. Nuclear weapons should be used to threat the enemy not to push war too far but they should never be used in offense. |
| Date | 01:56:19, October 05, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Demilitarization reform |
| Message | OCC: Japan still occupied areas of China and operated many PoW camps throughout Asia that hadn't being liberated by the Allies. Surrender was necessary, you can't leave an aggressive Empire like Japan, still formally at war, to rebuild. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 316 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 85 |
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