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Bill: the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party
Details
Submitted by[?]: SPIDER PIG REPUBLIC
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2470
Description[?]:
| This party has broken our sovernty. It has threated our nation and members have even tried to kill the CZP chairman. They are our enimies and they have no right to intervine with our affairs, and for all we know they might even be spying on us! The DSP said, "The DSP condemns assassination 99% of the time." |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:38:09, October 08, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | "Have you any evidence to back up claims of attempted assasination? The DSP are undoubtedly evil for their support of Sekowan imperialism and alliance with Fascist, communists and archonists, and its regular sending of delgates to comment in our debates certainly annoying, but we have no rule against it and cannot condemn all evil parties. Unless you have evidence of attempted assasination, we cannot support this measure." -Av Beit Din David Frankin |
| Date | 22:42:13, October 08, 2007 CET | From | SPIDER PIG REPUBLIC | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | I have acknowlegded what you said and I have put in the evidence needed for this bill! |
| Date | 22:43:34, October 08, 2007 CET | From | SPIDER PIG REPUBLIC | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | I have acknowlegded what you said and I have put in the evidence needed for this bill! |
| Date | 23:56:24, October 08, 2007 CET | From | Robotic Anarcho Syndicalistic Party | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | "Are you seriously suggesting that you are important enough to constitute the 1% of the time when they approve of assassination?" Naczelnik Nasi Representation Unit 001 |
| Date | 00:19:56, October 09, 2007 CET | From | SPIDER PIG REPUBLIC | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | I am trying to make a point that the DSP is a dangerous party of individuals and action must be taken to show them that we want nothing to do with them! I am in no way suggesting that i am important that I am important enough to constitute the other 1% of the times of approved assaination! This is also a matter that should be discussed with the CZP not just me! |
| Date | 01:29:05, October 09, 2007 CET | From |  帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | Since this does have to do with us specifically.. There were attempts by the CZP to condemn us a decade a so ago, which lead nowhere, as we proved they had gotten a false impression. Also, while we do associate with non-Stalinist Communists, we do not ally ourselves with Fascists, they just agree with us on rare occasions. Also, that 1% of the time we condone assassination would be in cases where the killing of one person directly saves many people. Furthermore we are the only thing keeping some of the more reactionary elements of Sekowo from declaring war, which considering recent developments, would not be a good thing. |
| Date | 03:28:29, October 09, 2007 CET | From | Robotic Anarcho Syndicalistic Party | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | With the complete lack of evidence here, i find these claims to be baseless --Robot Devil |
| Date | 04:27:24, October 09, 2007 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | what about if they are a danger to the progressive world. |
| Date | 16:45:24, October 09, 2007 CET | From | SPIDER PIG REPUBLIC | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | I have to agree with the RNP and the CZP! We need to see evidence to show that what you say is completly true. |
| Date | 16:45:25, October 09, 2007 CET | From | SPIDER PIG REPUBLIC | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | I have to agree with the RNP and the CZP! We need to see evidence to show that what you say is completly true. |
| Date | 20:59:13, October 09, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | "We are not fooled. Sekowo is spineless, the only people it dares fights are unarmed natives. You agree with Fascists, Archonists and Communists on enough to form a government with them. If you do not agree with them, your party has no principles and has sold out for power. Which wouldn't be surprising coming from a socialist party. We do not believe condeming the DSP is the correct action, but we wish to make our feelings clear; we have no desire to defend a party which oppresses our brothers, a party of great evil. -Itamar Eitam |
| Date | 21:22:56, October 09, 2007 CET | From | SPIDER PIG REPUBLIC | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | I am no party of evil nor do I agree with Fascists,Archonists,or Communists! I am okay with you expressing your feelings but to make such Heinous remarks is not to be taken lightly be me or the other parties that support this bill! |
| Date | 21:44:08, October 09, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | OOC: I was refering to the DSP. |
| Date | 21:48:42, October 09, 2007 CET | From | SPIDER PIG REPUBLIC | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | OOC: Okay sorry I got confused |
| Date | 04:10:20, October 10, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | Firstly, we don't fight anyone, we are a nation of peace, even if there are reactionaries in some parties that are more militaristic. Furthermore, we don't agree with Fascists, however on rare occasion the Fascists agree with us on market regulation or environmental protection. We agree with the AUP half the time, however those are times that have to do with devolution of powers and civil rights. We agree with non-Stalinist Communists such as the SCP. Furthermore, the current government was formed to prevent the government from not existing for a long period of time, and did not give an overtly great amount of powers to the PSFF, and we thought it better to vote for one in which we were represented enough to prevent extreme views fromt aking place in a great deal of positions of power. |
| Date | 17:07:19, October 10, 2007 CET | From | HaLeumit Tikvah | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | "Perhaps then you are the only non-evil party in your government, and Sekowan politics is all about selling out for power. We apologies, it must be very different from Beiteynuese politics, where you form alliances with parties with similar ideals. If Sekowo is attempting to argue that its imperialist drive does not involve fighting anyone, then it must think that the international community is as foolish as its dumbed down populace, and will believe its ridiculous propaganda." -Itamar Eitam |
| Date | 17:26:18, October 10, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | In all honesty we don't really form alliances, we vote based on our ideologies. The DSP has been the architect behind the Midway and Tropica expansions, and thusly they have been as peaceful as possible. Furthermore the DSP controls the HoS and HoG in Tropica and Midway respectively, so we are in positions to make sure no bad happens. The only fighting that has occurred is verbal spites between Sekowan and Beiteynese/Accord troops. |
| Date | 22:25:54, October 10, 2007 CET | From | SPIDER PIG REPUBLIC | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | so you admit that you can be a dangerous force |
| Date | 23:19:50, October 10, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | Well, if yelling and slander is a dangerous force, I suppose we're just as good as anybody else. |
| Date | 23:41:34, October 10, 2007 CET | From | SPIDER PIG REPUBLIC | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | Well can you defend yourself in the case in the attempted assaination of the CZP's leader? |
| Date | 03:05:03, October 11, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | Why exactly would we need to defend ourself if the leader of the CZP, whom we're not really sure who is since Hagee was murdered by the Deltarians, was assassinated, or an attempt to do so made? Sekowo would nor the DSP would ever sink so low as to use such tactics, especially against a non-combatant who poses little to no threat. |
| Date | 03:43:25, October 11, 2007 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | First he is not dead! Second, you Communist party has sunk that low so i bet you must of had something to do with it. |
| Date | 03:46:42, October 11, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | You sent Hegee to the Deltarian conference did you not? Everyone at that conference is either been killed or is being tortured, just look at the statement the Deltarian government released. Secondly the SCP has voted for a bill to expel all Deltarian diplomats and nationals from Sekowo. Furthermore we are greatly offended that you would link us to the workings of the corrupt Deltarian government, a government the DSP has historically been against. |
| Date | 21:31:09, October 12, 2007 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | That John Heggee was a phoney. I sent him there to protct the real leader. |
| Date | 07:28:09, October 13, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | Ok, fair enough. If the Deltarians give you back the fake, we would suggest putting him under observation, as the Deltarians treachery known no limit. |
| Date | 09:23:37, October 13, 2007 CET | From | Robotic Anarcho Syndicalistic Party | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | "Other than petty squabble and giving ourselves the chance to vote to show our people that we are all active parties, is there a point behind this?" Naczelnik Nasi Representation Unit 001 |
| Date | 23:31:43, October 13, 2007 CET | From | Am Echad, Pays Libre | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | This is to demand the stop of the DSP involving in our affairs! |
| Date | 01:39:53, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Robotic Anarcho Syndicalistic Party | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | if I understand these resolution properly, this wouldn't have any real affect on him anyway, and thus is pointless. Therefore, we vote no. |
| Date | 02:03:14, October 14, 2007 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the the condemming of the Democratic Socialists Party |
| Message | We only involve ourselves in your affairs when they have to do with us, as every nation and party is allowed to do. OOC: I figured I'd respect your legislature treaty thing even though Sekowo has not signed it, nor probably ever will do so. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 34 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 133 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 73 |
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