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Bill: Legislation Regarding Identity Cards
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2468
Description[?]:
| A change in legislation regarding the carrying of identification cards |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.
Current: All citizens are issued with identity cards and are required to carry them at all times.
Proposed: All citizens are issued with identity cards and are required to carry them at all times.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:16:04, October 09, 2007 CET | From |  Conservative Party | To | Debating the Legislation Regarding Identity Cards |
| Message | The Conservative Party is of the belief that we, as a Nation, need to introduce identity cards in order to keep our citizens and people safe. Should the people of Rutania carry personalized identity cards, then when it comes to situations such as crimes we will be able to identify those involved much easier by the cards that they carry. If there is a victim, say a murder victim, it will help make identifying them that much more easier thanks to their card. It will also help us determine, out of a group of people, who is actually from Rutania and who is not, which can be essential in certain circumstances. As for convinience, where is the problem there - is it not simply like carrying a bank card in a wallet or purse? |
| Date | 00:18:31, October 09, 2007 CET | From | Libertarians for Applied Market Equity | To | Debating the Legislation Regarding Identity Cards |
| Message | No. |
| Date | 12:14:50, October 09, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Legislation Regarding Identity Cards |
| Message | That's call you can say? No. If so then that's a rather pathetic answer to a debate topic which will later become a vote. |
| Date | 23:40:33, October 09, 2007 CET | From | Anarcho-Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Legislation Regarding Identity Cards |
| Message | The Libertarian Capitalist Party, ever opposed to increasing the scope of governmental power, opposes this law. |
| Date | 00:11:10, October 10, 2007 CET | From | Libertarians for Applied Market Equity | To | Debating the Legislation Regarding Identity Cards |
| Message | Well, Conservative Party, this legislation is such a bad idea that our party is simply saying "no" to it, and letting the voters work out for themselves why we said it. I think you'll find that the voters will agree with us. |
| Date | 00:28:11, October 10, 2007 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Legislation Regarding Identity Cards |
| Message | It seems as though the voters are against the Conservative Party on this, however in order to gain a true scope of what each different party and in turn the voters believe, I will move this to the voting stage anyway. |
| Date | 00:30:44, October 10, 2007 CET | From | Neo-Epicurean Party | To | Debating the Legislation Regarding Identity Cards |
| Message | We find the Conservative Party's arguments in favor of this bill to be lacking support. 1. "We, as a Nation, need to introduce identity cards in order to keep our citizens and people safe." -- we already use birth certificates, vehicle operators' licenses, social security ID's (at least until the next time the national pension plan gets privatized), and other records to keep track of and confirm citizens' identity. We fail to see how a national ID card would improve on this. 2. "If there is a victim, say a murder victim, it will help make identifying them that much more easier thanks to their card." -- unless the murderer takes their ID card and tosses it into an incinerator or something. This is a very flimsy argument. 3. "It will also help us determine, out of a group of people, who is actually from Rutania and who is not, which can be essential in certain circumstances." -- which circumstances? Currently anyone can claim nationality, citizenship is not difficult to obtain, and the government does not actively seek out illegal aliens. Clearly we do not have a major problem with separating the nationals from the non-nationals. 4. Creating a national ID card system would incur additional expense and create additional bureaucracy for the government, both things that many of the active parties have worked hard to reduce. How's that for a more detailed counter-argument? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 91 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 626 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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