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Bill: Interrogation Act of 2468
Details
Submitted by[?]: Neue Kommunistische Liga
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2468
Description[?]:
| BELIEVING in the right of every human being to live without fear of their government. ALSO BELIEVING in the right of every human being to live without fear of attacks from non-government groups. RECOGNIZING the conflict between these two universal beliefs. NOTING the effectiveness of psychological interrogation techniques. DEFINING torture as: A non-lethal technique in gaining absolutely vital information, A technique that is only used when all other resources are exhausted DEFINING non-Lethal as: Not stopping the heart Non-Deadly Non-damaging to the organs and/or bones and/or flesh of the detainee DEFINING detainee as: A person not of a military of the world A person not of Likatonian citizenship A person involved in terroristic organizations RE-NOTING that this should be used as a last-ditch effort when the information needed to be extracted is of lethal importance |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:17:45, October 10, 2007 CET | From | Neue Kommunistische Liga | To | Debating the Interrogation Act of 2468 |
| Message | We urge the parties of this great nation of ours to vote for this bill, our citizens need to know that their government is doing all that is possible to protect them from OUTSIDE threats. Let me Re-State that this CAN NOT be used on Likatonian citizens |
| Date | 03:25:53, October 10, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the Interrogation Act of 2468 |
| Message | To hell with it. We want to be able to use it on Likatonian citizens too. We feel that this is watered down policy and weak in defence of the state. However it is a step in the right direction. |
| Date | 04:31:39, October 10, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Interrogation Act of 2468 |
| Message | Well, a form of torture often used by government which is non-lethal and doesn't "technically" injury vital organs is waterboarding which incurs immense amount of SUFFERING on someone that POSSIBLY knows information via the force of government. cf. http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/north.html |
| Date | 18:01:18, October 10, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Workers' Party and CTUL List | To | Debating the Interrogation Act of 2468 |
| Message | We must never have Likatonia's good name dragged through the mud by condoning such practices. Strongly opposed. |
| Date | 18:11:23, October 10, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Workers' Party and CTUL List | To | Debating the Interrogation Act of 2468 |
| Message | P.S. The DWP thinks the CWFP's linked page is lovely. |
| Date | 21:28:10, October 10, 2007 CET | From | Neue Kommunistische Liga | To | Debating the Interrogation Act of 2468 |
| Message | I see the point of the CWFP's article, let me put in a rebuttal... As stated in the bill, we will try to get info kindly and softly, but if that doesn't work then we will work on something that is a bit more...."effective" |
| Date | 00:52:13, October 11, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Interrogation Act of 2468 |
| Message | Torture doesn't work. With the right application of sufficient pain and duress, you can anyone to admit to anything. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 183 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 219 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 264 |
| Random fact: "OOC", "IC" and "IG" are commonly-used acronyms in Particracy. "OOC" refers to comments, discussions and actions which are out-of-character, meaning they are done player-to-player rather than party-to-party. "IC" refers to in-character interactions (ie. party-to-party). Similarly, "IG" means in-game, although this term may also simply refer to what happens in the actual game interface, as opposed to on the forum or elsewhere. "RP" just means "role-play". |
| Random quote: "It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have free scope." - Niccolo Machiavelli |