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Bill: Child Abuse Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Likaton Coalition of the Willing
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2472
Description[?]:
| We propose that anyone found to have, through neglect or intention, caused physical or mental harm to a child, be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Furthermore, if a child is physically or mentally harmed, whomever the adult (parent, teacher, employer etc) who should have been responsible for their wellbeing is, is subject to a proportional but similar punishment as the offender (compounded where the offender is the responsible adult), of 25% of the fiscal and custodial penalties. We propose the following guidelines (all penalties cumulative and consecutive): Physical injuries Requiring minor first aid: First offence, 100 - 10,000 LIK fine. Second offence, minimum 30 day custodial sentence. Requiring hospital treatment (no overnight stay): First offence, 10,000 - 100,000 LIK fine. Second offence, minimum 45 day custodial sentence, and 6 month ban on working/living with anyone under 18 years of age. Requiring hospital treatment (overnight stay, no permanent damage or risk to life): First offence, 10,000 - 100,000 LIK fine and minimum 30 day custodial sentence. Second offence, minimum 90 day custodial sentence, unlimited fine, and 1 year ban on working/living with anyone under 18 years of age. Requiring hospital treatment (overnight stay, permanent damage OR risk to life): First offence: minimum 90 day custodial sentence, unlimited fine, and 1 year ban on working/living with anyone under 18 years of age. Second offence: Unlimited fine and custodial sentence, and indefinite ban on working/living with anyone under 18 years of age, subject to review annually after first year. Requiring hospital treatment (overnight stay, no permanent damage AND risk to life), or resulting in death or permanent disability: Any offence: Unlimited fine (minimum 3*average Likaton annual salary) and custodial sentence (minimum 4 years), and indefinite ban on working/living with anyone under 18 years of age, subject to review bi-annually after tenth year. Offences involving sexual assault of any kind: Any offence: Unlimited fine (minimum 3*average Likaton annual salary) and custodial sentence (minimum 4 years), and indefinite ban on working/living with anyone under 18 years of age, subject to review bi-annually after tenth year. Psychological injuries Requiring minimal treatment: First offence, 100 - 10,000 LIK fine. Second offence, minimum 30 day custodial sentence. Requiring any instance of professional treatment: First offence, 10,000 - 100,000 LIK fine. Second offence, minimum 45 day custodial sentence, and 6 month ban on working/living with anyone under 18 years of age. Requiring any programme of counselling or therapy lasting more than three sessions: First offence, 10,000 - 100,000 LIK fine and minimum 30 day custodial sentence. Second offence, minimum 90 day custodial sentence, unlimited fine, and 1 year ban on working/living with anyone under 18 years of age. Requiring any programme of counselling or therapy lasting more than six months: First offence: minimum 90 day custodial sentence, unlimited fine, and 1 year ban on working/living with anyone under 18 years of age. Second offence: Unlimited fine and custodial sentence, and indefinite ban on working/living with anyone under 18 years of age, subject to review annually after first year. Requiring any ongoing treatment or resulting in long-term trauma or damage: Any offence: Unlimited fine (minimum 3*average LIkaton annual salary) and custodial sentence (minimum 4 years), and indefinite ban on working/living with anyone under 18 years of age, subject to review bi-annually after tenth year. Offences involving sexual assault of any kind: Any offence: Unlimited fine (minimum 3*average LIkaton annual salary) and custodial sentence (minimum 4 years), and indefinite ban on working/living with anyone under 18 years of age, subject to review bi-annually after tenth year. We propose that a register of offences be set up, and that all cases be recorded. This register shll be publicly viewable, and include the name and crime of the offender (and the responsible adult). In support of this act, and to publicise it and raise awareness, we propose that the nation's motto be changed, for a period of no less than 8 years. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The national motto.
Old value:: Si vis pacem, para bellum
Current: Strength in Freedom, Unity in Diversity
Proposed: Our Children, Our Future
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:56:13, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | Psychological injuries: what type of physical abuse do you think causes psychological injuries??? Also, this bill doesn't address the issue of a parent's right to use a MODERATE and controlled form of corporal punishment. |
| Date | 07:10:09, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | LFF will support this proposal. |
| Date | 12:07:47, October 14, 2007 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | Q. Psychological injuries: what type of physical abuse do you think causes psychological injuries. A. Any prolonged physical mistreatment risks damaging a person, let alone a child psychologically, leading to poor self esteem, depression, and a myriad of other mental health problems. Additionally, even a single event, if traumatic enough, can leave mental scars that last a lifetime, regardless of the apparent triviality of the physical symptoms. Additionally, there are many acts which may cause psychological damage without physical. Q. Also, this bill doesn't address the issue of a parent's right to use a MODERATE and controlled form of corporal punishment. A. We are concerned that for the children of CWFP members, if you believe that a "moderate and controlled' response may result in an injury "requiring minor first aid." (the lowest bracket) or indeed leave psychological injuries of any kind. |
| Date | 18:47:18, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | Our only hesitation is the motto amendment... it makes it seem like trying to push a consitutional amendment using our children as bait. |
| Date | 18:58:34, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | The motto amendment would be temporary; it is a matter that has seen some discussion anyway, and it would show a degree of convocation solidarity that is less obvious in a resolution. We would support any motto change, including a reversion, once the Bill has passed... |
| Date | 01:31:11, October 15, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | We are a little wary... as we say, it looks like buying a vote... but the rationale seems to make sense. We believe our constituents would be willing to support. It does seem a bit of a blow to our traditionalist base... they fully expect this to be a thin-end-of-the -wedge that will ultimately see our historical motto shot down. |
| Date | 01:38:12, October 15, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | As previously indicated, if a guarantee of support for a restoration of the previous motto will help assuage the party reluctant, you have it. |
| Date | 19:11:08, October 15, 2007 CET | From | Democratic Workers' Party and CTUL List | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | We strongly support. We would, in fact, condone harsher custodial sentences in order to properly rehabilitate child abusers. |
| Date | 00:33:17, October 17, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | We must in good faith OPPOSE this bill b/c the definition of "mental/psychologial abuse" is just TOO broad and can lead to erosion of civil liberties. For example, if a mother who weighed 300 lbs. during puberity and thereby never was as physically attractive to the boys like the "Beyonces" of the world, she might be "coincidentally" punished by this law for incessant verbal scolding (in a stern voice) her daughter who weighs 300 lbs. as well. Some fancy lawyer will argue that the mother's "tough love" of exercise, diet, and self-restraint would lower the girl's self-esteem. We can ONLY support this law if the definition of "Child Abuse" is STRICTLY defined as "excessive physical abuse to a child in which he/she can be hospitalized." For example, food deprivation [depriving of ESSENTIAL food like vegetables and health-conscious food as opposed to "junk food," though], bodily injury in the form of bloodied cuts and broken bones, and of course ANY type of sexual abuse. |
| Date | 01:01:40, October 17, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | Did you even read the Bill? |
| Date | 08:44:49, October 17, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | Yes, I read the bill in its ENTIRELY and as I said, the "mental abuse" is done defined STRICTLY but left more broadly which is open to interpretation by the Courts of Likatonia. Therefore, by the law not defining what it considers "mental abuse," "tough love" can be interpreted as mental abuse. The CWFP stands by the use of "tough love" tactics by the parents of Likatonia!!! |
| Date | 09:58:03, October 17, 2007 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | Well, having read the entire Bill, you will see that we leave the determination of what constitutes mental or psychological abuse to the people best qualified; the diagnosing physician. Unless you think Likaton doctors are not up to the task? |
| Date | 03:53:43, October 18, 2007 CET | From | Kapitalist-Arbeitsfamilien Partei | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | Well, that's the problem to the CWFP: namely, that most psychologists are blatantly LIBERAL and would essentially define psychological abuse as the Mother that I mentioned abovehand. |
| Date | 04:23:51, October 18, 2007 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | Why does the CWFP vote to hurt babies? |
| Date | 12:45:51, October 18, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | "psychologists are blatantly LIBERAL" I didn't realise Likatonian psychologists were liberal. I assure you that most of the psychologists in our Catholic concentration and liquidation camps were and indeed are far from liberal. They are ruthlessly efficient in re-educating the religious lunatics, usually prior to them getting the bullet. |
| Date | 12:57:22, October 18, 2007 CET | From | Permissive Social Union | To | Debating the Child Abuse Act |
| Message | http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=130936 |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 402 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 151 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 113 |
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