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Bill: War on Liberalism
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Arab Party of Kafuristan
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2470
Description[?]:
| Backstory: Long time resentment of leftist parties in Kafuristan reach new heights when the National Arab Party's grip hold on a large portion of the legislature is lost in an electoral defeat. As the NAP's power becomes worthless as it struggles to halt the wave of socialist reforms, they attempt to seize the day and the nation with their position in the cabinet. The National Arab Party has decided that they have let our great nation deteriorate in progress under their rule. They continue to allow our nation stagnate compared to nations which have continued to expand their influence on the world sphere, such as Deltaria. Furthermore, we believe this stagnation is the direct result of a Leftist-Deltarian conspiracy to undermine and ultimately destroy the glorious Kafuristan nation in all it's might. The only way to save our great country is to purge them from it. ---=OOC=--- NAP Forces are at 317,000-366,000. The custom poll results vary. KSP Forces are at 91,000. NRP Forces are at 41,000. LDS Forces are at 174,000. RGP Forces are at 60,000. ROH Forces are at 51,000. RPK Forces are at 101,000. KPP Forces are at 104,000. (God bless Excel.) (My militia is only high because my people are more militant than yours, GO NRA!) Government Forces in Active Duty are at 1,042,637. Government Forces in Reserve (Maybe Civilian National Servicemen too) are at 781,978. Links you'll need: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/requestpoll.php http://www.takeforum.com/particracy/viewtopic.php?p=108427&mforum=particracy#108427 Use these two to calculate your own militias. The best way to tell if you did it correctly is that you get a similar (not exact) amount of militia if you tried to calculate the NAP forces. Parties voting for this will be siding along with the NAP in fighting the leftists. Parties voting against this will be siding against the NAP in fighting the leftists. Parties abstaining will simply step aside as civil war grips the nation. Parties in the cabinet voting for this will be added up and a percent of government military forces will support the NAP fighting the leftists. Parties in the cabinet voting against this will be added up and a percent of government military forces will be fighting against the NAP. Parties in the cabinet abstaining will be added up and a percent of government military forces will die in battle or desert from duty. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:01:30, October 14, 2007 CET | From |  National Arab Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | I'm sure everyone agrees on the OOC portion? |
| Date | 02:24:01, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | OOC: We need to discuss the terms with our KLC allies (assuming none decide to side with you or something), but we will probably agree. What militant percentage did you get for my party? I don't mind receiving a 10k increase in soldiers. |
| Date | 02:35:16, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | OOC: The newspaper really was intended to be non-biased. |
| Date | 02:59:55, October 14, 2007 CET | From | National Arab Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | OOC: Well mine is. And who likes competitors anyway? |
| Date | 03:00:22, October 14, 2007 CET | From | National Arab Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | =======OOC======== 10.3% and 7.1% And that cabinet proposal is hardly fair. |
| Date | 03:08:54, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | OOC: Bah. Fine. We changed our vote. |
| Date | 05:09:06, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | OOC: Which of your militia numbers are you going to use? 317, 366 or something in between like 342? |
| Date | 05:48:00, October 14, 2007 CET | From | National Arab Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | OOC: I'll say 366 at the start, and it decrease to 317 due to desertions and casulties. |
| Date | 09:22:13, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | OOC: In your newspaper NAP, can we post announcements etc.? |
| Date | 09:26:30, October 14, 2007 CET | From | National Arab Party of Kafuristan | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | Depends. You would have to make it biased against you. Or make it seem the newspaper is corrupt by only releasing pieces of your announcements, to change the meaning of the announcement. |
| Date | 09:32:22, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | Hm...is what i posted good? |
| Date | 09:32:50, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | I can cut it and post it in the KNN if you wish. OOC: By the way, good RP |
| Date | 09:35:59, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | "which all parties in Kafuristan respect" Hah. |
| Date | 09:37:52, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | True, certainly we, the LDS, do! Why do we have to walk into death trap called Civil War? We need to face the threat against the Deltarian Government...I will make an announcement in KNN and condemn the actions of Deltarian if both the NAP and all the other parties in Kafuristan officialy support me. |
| Date | 09:45:30, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | How are we to calculate ourmilitia anyway? Can't see it.... |
| Date | 09:50:22, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | Use a custom poll to find your percentage of fanatical militarists. Multiply that percentage by the number of votes you received in the last election. Divide by 12.5. |
| Date | 09:52:36, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | Ah, ok, after i post in the KNN. Do it as well, after the major news. |
| Date | 09:54:34, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | Are you going to pick a side or are you staying neutral? |
| Date | 09:58:23, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | We shall see...all news in the Major News Program of KNN later today. |
| Date | 10:17:20, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | I expect NAP and co. will be RPed as controlling Pabeus and Keletia, while the rest belong to the leftist parties? Assuming everyone votes the way I expect, at least. |
| Date | 10:18:55, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | Wait my friend, we shall wait... |
| Date | 12:14:55, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | I count it an always come up with this number: 15.352.145,744 |
| Date | 14:53:25, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Royalist Party of Islam | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | Beyond tallying up the militia numbers, is there an actual game mechanic for this? Or is it all RP? |
| Date | 16:09:36, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | It's all RP |
| Date | 18:04:14, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | When I calculate your militia I get: 33,086,521 * .071 = 2,349,142.991 2,349,142.991 / 12.5 = 187,931.43928 Rounded: 187,931 soldiers in your militia. |
| Date | 20:12:42, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | Is a press conference featuring Ahlam Tayyaba (KSP leader and presidential candidate) and an unnamed KNN reporter acceptable as my contribution to the debate? Just have everyone post a speech, press conference, etc. declaring their position on the civil war. An actual debate wouldn't be televised in a situation like this, IMO. Use the press conferences, speeches, etc. to describe the positions our parties take in the debate but not actually show the debate itself. OOC: I've never RPed before, so how bad does this look to you? Televised Press Conference Kafuri Socialist Party Ahlam Tayyaba, Presidential Candidate and Party Head Ahlam Tayyaba, Head of the Kafuri Socialist Party and KSP presidential candidate held a press conference at the KSP HQ in Kuchifey. KNN Reporter: "Good afternoon, Mrs. Tayyaba. The NAP has recently declared its intent to purge the leftist parties from Kafuristan and accused the left of conspiring with Deltaria to destroy Kafuristan. What is the KSP response to th Ahlam Tayyaba: "The KSP condemns the NAP declaration. The idea that the KSP and the other KLC parties are responsible for the current state of affairs in Kafuristan is laughable. As is the idea that we are conspiring with Deltaria to destroy Kafuristan. Once again, the NAP is making irresponsible and unfounded accusations. KNN Reporter: How likely is a civil war? Ahlam Tayyaba: Unfortunately, the NAP is unlikely to back down. An old proverb, 'better a thousand enemies outside the house than one inside' describes the current KSP stance towards the NAP. KNN Reporter: Thank you for your time Mrs. Tayyaba. Following this press conference Tayyaba left for a meeting of all members of the KLC leadership. |
| Date | 20:13:11, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | OOC: Ignore this. Wrong discussion. Heh. |
| Date | 20:20:45, October 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | Even so, it's good. Don't worry. The KNN belongs to Kafuristan therefore we all can have reporters. |
| Date | 04:22:24, October 15, 2007 CET | From | Republican Party of Kafuristan (KRC) | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | NRP needs more forces; we're also militant/ |
| Date | 05:37:31, October 15, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | What does your custom polls say? |
| Date | 06:08:08, October 15, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | Anyone else going to vote? |
| Date | 17:41:16, October 15, 2007 CET | From | Kafuri Socialist Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | So, NAP, NRPK and Deltarians versus the KPP and I? |
| Date | 17:44:23, October 15, 2007 CET | From | Liberal Urban Party | To | Debating the War on Liberalism |
| Message | Please don't use the term versus because nothing has started yet and hopefully it will be avoided. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 120 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 105 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 280 |
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