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Bill: War on Liberalism

Details

Submitted by[?]: National Arab Party of Kafuristan

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: November 2470

Description[?]:

Backstory: Long time resentment of leftist parties in Kafuristan reach new heights when the National Arab Party's grip hold on a large portion of the legislature is lost in an electoral defeat. As the NAP's power becomes worthless as it struggles to halt the wave of socialist reforms, they attempt to seize the day and the nation with their position in the cabinet.


The National Arab Party has decided that they have let our great nation deteriorate in progress under their rule. They continue to allow our nation stagnate compared to nations which have continued to expand their influence on the world sphere, such as Deltaria. Furthermore, we believe this stagnation is the direct result of a Leftist-Deltarian conspiracy to undermine and ultimately destroy the glorious Kafuristan nation in all it's might.

The only way to save our great country is to purge them from it.

---=OOC=---
NAP Forces are at 317,000-366,000. The custom poll results vary.
KSP Forces are at 91,000.
NRP Forces are at 41,000.
LDS Forces are at 174,000.
RGP Forces are at 60,000.
ROH Forces are at 51,000.
RPK Forces are at 101,000.
KPP Forces are at 104,000.
(God bless Excel.)
(My militia is only high because my people are more militant than yours, GO NRA!)
Government Forces in Active Duty are at 1,042,637.
Government Forces in Reserve (Maybe Civilian National Servicemen too) are at 781,978.


Links you'll need:
http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/requestpoll.php
http://www.takeforum.com/particracy/viewtopic.php?p=108427&mforum=particracy#108427

Use these two to calculate your own militias. The best way to tell if you did it correctly is that you get a similar (not exact) amount of militia if you tried to calculate the NAP forces.

Parties voting for this will be siding along with the NAP in fighting the leftists.
Parties voting against this will be siding against the NAP in fighting the leftists.
Parties abstaining will simply step aside as civil war grips the nation.

Parties in the cabinet voting for this will be added up and a percent of government military forces will support the NAP fighting the leftists.
Parties in the cabinet voting against this will be added up and a percent of government military forces will be fighting against the NAP.
Parties in the cabinet abstaining will be added up and a percent of government military forces will die in battle or desert from duty.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date02:01:30, October 14, 2007 CET
From National Arab Party of Kafuristan
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageI'm sure everyone agrees on the OOC portion?

Date02:24:01, October 14, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageOOC: We need to discuss the terms with our KLC allies (assuming none decide to side with you or something), but we will probably agree. What militant percentage did you get for my party? I don't mind receiving a 10k increase in soldiers.


Date02:35:16, October 14, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageOOC: The newspaper really was intended to be non-biased.

Date02:59:55, October 14, 2007 CET
From National Arab Party of Kafuristan
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageOOC: Well mine is. And who likes competitors anyway?

Date03:00:22, October 14, 2007 CET
From National Arab Party of Kafuristan
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
Message=======OOC========
10.3% and 7.1%
And that cabinet proposal is hardly fair.

Date03:08:54, October 14, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageOOC: Bah. Fine. We changed our vote.

Date05:09:06, October 14, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageOOC: Which of your militia numbers are you going to use? 317, 366 or something in between like 342?

Date05:48:00, October 14, 2007 CET
From National Arab Party of Kafuristan
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageOOC: I'll say 366 at the start, and it decrease to 317 due to desertions and casulties.

Date09:22:13, October 14, 2007 CET
FromLiberal Urban Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageOOC: In your newspaper NAP, can we post announcements etc.?

Date09:26:30, October 14, 2007 CET
From National Arab Party of Kafuristan
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageDepends. You would have to make it biased against you. Or make it seem the newspaper is corrupt by only releasing pieces of your announcements, to change the meaning of the announcement.

Date09:32:22, October 14, 2007 CET
FromLiberal Urban Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageHm...is what i posted good?

Date09:32:50, October 14, 2007 CET
FromLiberal Urban Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageI can cut it and post it in the KNN if you wish.
OOC: By the way, good RP

Date09:35:59, October 14, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
Message"which all parties in Kafuristan respect"

Hah.

Date09:37:52, October 14, 2007 CET
FromLiberal Urban Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageTrue, certainly we, the LDS, do!
Why do we have to walk into death trap called Civil War?
We need to face the threat against the Deltarian Government...I will make an announcement in KNN and condemn the actions of Deltarian if both the NAP and all the other parties in Kafuristan officialy support me.

Date09:45:30, October 14, 2007 CET
FromLiberal Urban Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageHow are we to calculate ourmilitia anyway?
Can't see it....

Date09:50:22, October 14, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageUse a custom poll to find your percentage of fanatical militarists. Multiply that percentage by the number of votes you received in the last election. Divide by 12.5.


Date09:52:36, October 14, 2007 CET
FromLiberal Urban Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageAh, ok, after i post in the KNN. Do it as well, after the major news.

Date09:54:34, October 14, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageAre you going to pick a side or are you staying neutral?

Date09:58:23, October 14, 2007 CET
FromLiberal Urban Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageWe shall see...all news in the Major News Program of KNN later today.

Date10:17:20, October 14, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageI expect NAP and co. will be RPed as controlling Pabeus and Keletia, while the rest belong to the leftist parties? Assuming everyone votes the way I expect, at least.

Date10:18:55, October 14, 2007 CET
FromLiberal Urban Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageWait my friend, we shall wait...

Date12:14:55, October 14, 2007 CET
FromLiberal Urban Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageI count it an always come up with this number:
15.352.145,744

Date14:53:25, October 14, 2007 CET
FromRoyalist Party of Islam
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageBeyond tallying up the militia numbers, is there an actual game mechanic for this? Or is it all RP?

Date16:09:36, October 14, 2007 CET
FromLiberal Urban Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageIt's all RP

Date18:04:14, October 14, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageWhen I calculate your militia I get:

33,086,521 * .071 = 2,349,142.991

2,349,142.991 / 12.5 = 187,931.43928

Rounded: 187,931 soldiers in your militia.

Date20:12:42, October 14, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageIs a press conference featuring Ahlam Tayyaba (KSP leader and presidential candidate) and an unnamed KNN reporter acceptable as my contribution to the debate? Just have everyone post a speech, press conference, etc. declaring their position on the civil war. An actual debate wouldn't be televised in a situation like this, IMO. Use the press conferences, speeches, etc. to describe the positions our parties take in the debate but not actually show the debate itself.

OOC: I've never RPed before, so how bad does this look to you?

Televised Press Conference

Kafuri Socialist Party
Ahlam Tayyaba, Presidential Candidate and Party Head

Ahlam Tayyaba, Head of the Kafuri Socialist Party and KSP presidential candidate held a press conference at the KSP HQ in Kuchifey.

KNN Reporter: "Good afternoon, Mrs. Tayyaba. The NAP has recently declared its intent to purge the leftist parties from Kafuristan and accused the left of conspiring with Deltaria to destroy Kafuristan. What is the KSP response to th

Ahlam Tayyaba: "The KSP condemns the NAP declaration. The idea that the KSP and the other KLC parties are responsible for the current state of affairs in Kafuristan is laughable. As is the idea that we are conspiring with Deltaria to destroy Kafuristan. Once again, the NAP is making irresponsible and unfounded accusations.

KNN Reporter: How likely is a civil war?

Ahlam Tayyaba: Unfortunately, the NAP is unlikely to back down. An old proverb, 'better a thousand enemies outside the house than one inside' describes the current KSP stance towards the NAP.

KNN Reporter: Thank you for your time Mrs. Tayyaba.

Following this press conference Tayyaba left for a meeting of all members of the KLC leadership.

Date20:13:11, October 14, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageOOC: Ignore this. Wrong discussion. Heh.

Date20:20:45, October 14, 2007 CET
FromLiberal Urban Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageEven so, it's good. Don't worry. The KNN belongs to Kafuristan therefore we all can have reporters.

Date04:22:24, October 15, 2007 CET
FromRepublican Party of Kafuristan (KRC)
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageNRP needs more forces; we're also militant/

Date05:37:31, October 15, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageWhat does your custom polls say?

Date06:08:08, October 15, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageAnyone else going to vote?

Date17:41:16, October 15, 2007 CET
FromKafuri Socialist Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessageSo, NAP, NRPK and Deltarians versus the KPP and I?

Date17:44:23, October 15, 2007 CET
FromLiberal Urban Party
ToDebating the War on Liberalism
MessagePlease don't use the term versus because nothing has started yet and hopefully it will be avoided.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
  

Total Seats: 120

no
  

Total Seats: 105

abstain
     

Total Seats: 280


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