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Bill: Civil Liberties
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hulstrian Conservative Monarchist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2473
Description[?]:
| Certain existing policies of government do not respect the rights of the citizenry satisfactorily. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning child labour.
Old value:: Child labour is allowed, but with additional regulations to those of adult labourers.
Current: Child labour is forbidden.
Proposed: Child labour is forbidden.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: All citizens are issued with identity cards and are required to carry them at all times.
Current: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Proposed: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Torture is never allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:58:18, October 18, 2007 CET | From |  Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties |
| Message | We cannot accept these extreme liberal views, which threaten the security of the state and the monarchies. |
| Date | 05:52:00, October 18, 2007 CET | From | Hulstrian Conservative Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties |
| Message | Identity Papers, Child Labour and Torture are not the hallmarks of a Monarchy - they are the hallmarks of Communism. Are you backing Marxist methodology in the support of the State? Our Party cannot condone Extreme Socialist methods like these in good faith, nor should any other party in this grand nation of ours. |
| Date | 06:06:26, October 18, 2007 CET | From | Hulstrian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties |
| Message | No, they aren't the hallmarks of communism. They are the hallmarks of a strong government, which controls its population to good effect. Take your liberalization elsewhere. |
| Date | 06:21:36, October 18, 2007 CET | From | Hulstrian Conservative Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties |
| Message | We say they are the hallmarks of Communism, and we'll let the voters decide who's right. |
| Date | 10:57:30, October 18, 2007 CET | From | Gao-Showa Imperial Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties |
| Message | We'd also like to point out as we have to do with iritating frequesncy that your proposed law on child labour would prevent people under the age of 17 taking on part time jobs to earn some poscket money and so forth. |
| Date | 16:43:30, October 18, 2007 CET | From | Hulstrian Conservative Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties |
| Message | That is a valid point. However the wording of the law is "Child Labour is Forbidden" not "Non-Adult Labour is Forbidden". It would seem to me that persons over the age of twelve are "Adolescents", not "Children", and that the law would not bother them. |
| Date | 03:19:30, October 19, 2007 CET | From | Civic and Economic Liberty | To | Debating the Civil Liberties |
| Message | Disagree with the child labour proposition, but vote "Yes" anyway. Such is the sad reality of politics. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 0 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 400 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 100 |
| Random fact: The people in your nation don't like inactive parties. When you often abstain from voting for a bill, they will dislike your party and your visibility to the electorate will decrease significantly. Low visibility will means you are likely to lose seats. So keep in mind: voting Yes or No is always better than Abstaining. |
| Random quote: "The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it." - Ayn Rand |