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Bill: Government policy on subsidising contraception.

Details

Submitted by^[?]: removed

Status^[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: May 2039

Description^[?]:

At the moment, the government does not supply free or discounted contraceptives. If we supplied contraceptives at a discounted rate, it would improve the health of the nation.

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change Government policy on subsidising contraception.

Old value:: The government does not supply free or discounted contraceptives.

Current:
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Proposed: The government subsidises a considerable discount for contraceptives.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

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From	National Centrist Party
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	I'll support it.

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From	Liberal Party for Equality
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	us too.

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From
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	Let's go to a vote then :)

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From	People's Party
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	No way...what about people who don't want to use their tax dollars to support something they believe is murder? How can the government force them to contribute their money to such a thing?

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From	Liberal Party for Equality
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	Thats not the way you have to see it. If they believe it is murder they dont have to make use of it but other people should be free to and able to, if they dont believe that it is wrong. Democracy means that if you dont like a governments policies you dont vote for them, so the tax money is spent by the party the majority of people trust to spend it well and morally. so if the majority are in favour, then democracy has worked even if those people lose out.

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From
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	People's party - you can't use that argument. Many people don't want their tax money used to pay for arming the police, which results in a more real sense of murder than contraception.

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From	People's Party
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	Police is a critical function of the State, because it benefits all of society . Privatising the police would mean that some people would receive less protection, which would be a violation of their rights. However, there is no reason why these contraceptives can't be funded by charities. If you believe that contraceptives should be available to all...put your money where your mouth is . Don't force others to do the same. Majorities aren't necessarily right. 51% of the people can vote to have the other 49% killed for no reason. There are limits to what majorities can do. I mean, thats why we have individual rights. Government's main function is to provide order and security, and some public goods. People are well within their rights to protest when government exceeds those boundaries.

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From
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	The majority might not always be right, but that's the way democracy works. You can't please everyone all the time, just do what is best for the majority.

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From	National Centrist Party
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	I vote on this, using a purely economic model. Making contraceptives cheaper prevents some of the births that would otherwise occur. One assumes that those without the ability to support a child will try to avoid having one. If that's the case, then a discount will prevent some of the people who otherwise are in poverty.

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From	People's Party
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	Well if we vote to kill you, and win , would we be justified in having you hanged? If you don't have a problem with that then you might as well not believe in rights because those are claims against such arbitrary actions. There is an important individual right being violated here, the right to keep property and use it as you see fit.

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From	People's Party
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	There is no reason why charities can't take care of the poor and their contraceptive needs. Unless you can show otherwise, there is no reason to force someone to do something against his religious beliefs. One is infact tempted to ask whether the real problem is an irresponsible public, rather than expensive condoms. We should therfore help the poor, by spreading the virtues of abstinence and faith

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From	Liberal Party for Equality
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	What if killing people is against my religious beliefs? why would I pay taxes to the army? what if eating meat is against my religious beliefs? why would I pay taxes to subsidise beef farming? we can go on like this for a while. democracy can never be perfect for everyone, but it is the system we are operating under, and funding contraception is not a violation of anybody's basic rights, so we have a right to legislate on it.

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From
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	Thank you LPfE, that's the eloquent way to say what I meant.

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From	People's Party
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	I think I already addressed this- its a non-issue. Everyone has an equal right to security, because everyone is equally a person. There is only one way an equal level of security can be assured, and that is through Government. That is because not everyone can afford a private army protecting the border. Since the Founders (in America) and any other democrat worldwide assumes that Government was formed with the view to providing security , your refusal to pay for an army would violate the social contract. So you have NO right to NOT PAY for an army, since that would partially disable everyone elses right to security.

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From	People's Party
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	However, there is no equal right to contraception - read Locke, or Hobbes or even the Founders ...free condoms are not an essential function of government. If they can be funded by charity, then government appropriation for this purpose is a gross violation of rights - namely, the right to keep your money..

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From	People's Party
To	Debating the Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Message	You should not have to pay taxes to subsidize businesses (like beef farming). That is another violation of property rights.

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Voting

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Seats

yes

Total Seats: 38

People's Party (10)
Right Wing Liberals Party (7)

Total Seats: 17

abstain

Total Seats: 0

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