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Bill: Employers' Rights, September 2477
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Party of Church and People
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2478
Description[?]:
| Employers have a right to truly choose who they pay to do work and who they don't. Especially if the workers aren't even doing the work because of some made-up reason. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Employer's rights in regards to firing striking workers.
Old value:: Employers cannot fire workers who have gone on strike.
Current: Employers can fire workers who are deemed to have gone on strike without reasonable reasons.
Proposed: Employers are free to fire workers who go on strike.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:43:05, October 29, 2007 CET | From |  Independent Centrist Party | To | Debating the Employers' Rights, September 2477 |
| Message | There is a middle road on this issue. |
| Date | 10:51:17, October 29, 2007 CET | From | Social Democratic Pacifist Party | To | Debating the Employers' Rights, September 2477 |
| Message | This would allow the Bourgeoisie to make the Proletariat fear to stand up for their rights. Therefore it is harmful to the labor cause |
| Date | 21:02:30, October 29, 2007 CET | From | Computational Intellect Project | To | Debating the Employers' Rights, September 2477 |
| Message | This is absolute insanity. You may think you are preventing Communism with this bill, but you are actually causing it. Karl Marx was actually, in practical terms, an anarcho-capitalist and a free tradist. He was so, because, with his reasoning, this would cause intense suffering of the proletariat and a growing divide in classes, which would upset this proletariat, and they would rise up, mercilessly slaughter the bourgeoisie, and take control of the corporations themselves in a Marxist-Communist fashion. |
| Date | 01:32:21, October 30, 2007 CET | From | United Party of Church and People | To | Debating the Employers' Rights, September 2477 |
| Message | Do you realize that a job is not an unalienable right that is automatically granted to a citizen when he is born? There is no "right to a job"! A job is a contract of mutual consent between an employer and an aspiring employee. It is not in any way, shape, or form a "right"! Since it is strictly a legal contract an employer has every right to fire a employee, and every employee has the simple right to quit work, unless it is otherwise stated in the contract. It is ludicrous that employees are viewed as more important than employers by some parties here, since without an employer there would be no employee! |
| Date | 20:55:31, October 30, 2007 CET | From | Computational Intellect Project | To | Debating the Employers' Rights, September 2477 |
| Message | Yes, we understand your argument clearly, and even agree with it, even before you placed it. However, as with all ethical issues, you must weigh the consequences. We could allow employers to fire workers at will, which would make sense, but is unethical because of the whole picture of how it affects society. If we were to allow employers to fire at will, the quality of the lower class would drop dramatically, and labor rights would almost entirely diminish. Whether it should or should not be this way, this will inevitably make class struggle much stronger, and thus, as we described before, will lead to the slaughter of the bourgeoisie and a Communist revolution, which would doom humanity. Just as well, statistically speaking, economies with stronger labor rights do better than those that don't (so long as there is little or no outsourcing). So, because of the inevitable consequences to society, this bill is unethical. btw - your comment "without an employer there would be no employee!" is completely inane; there are systems in which the employers and employees are synonymous. Such as economic democracy for example, which is our party's economic platform. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 102 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 111 |
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