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Bill: George Falco attacked in Solentia (To be Archeived)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Jakanian Imperial Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2480
Description[?]:
| George Falco sent this message to Solentia: George Falco issued a statement to the legislature, largest party, and to the SNRP: From: United Jakanian Embassy in Solentia To: Legislature of Solentia "Came by Solentian mail carrier" Re: Official Message from Dr. George Falco, Foreign Minister I want your party, due to your support of me in this issue, send this message to the Bill in vote to expulsion of me, word for word for the SNRP to hear. Due to the recent hostilities by the SNRP by my speech in defense of the MCTO, I known for many years that Solentia and United Jakania have been allies defensively, economically, culturally. Before my appointment to my current post, I frequently visited Solentia for its charm, hospitality, and wonderful landscape. I like the varied cultures that are unique in each country. Treaties and Organizations like the MCTO, exist for collective security of many nations that is waiting to respond, not individual nations waiting until something happens and then wanting help. The MCTO DOES NOT wish to interfere in your countries internal affairs, for that is none of our business. It does not want to regulate or force your military to attack or not. It does say that non-aggression between members is a must. It impacts your foreign policy a little bit, but not much. It is a voluntary action organization. For example, United Jakania is about to send peacekeeping troops to Beitenyu and Pontesi to stop the conflict there and mediate a peace there. Our legislation is outside of the MCTO due to the fact no one in the MCTO has expressed interest in joining our force. I worked hard to get where I am today. I take you and some of the other parties comments about calling me 'bourgeois' is offensive. I do not wish for your apology but I tell you of the nature of consequences for your actions. You have directly threaten me and the safety of your country. I shall not apologize to you for I was not speaking out of line and defending our treaty. I respect Solentia. For MCTO article reference for the statements below: http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=824 Although we are still members of the old MCTO, the wording in the new one made it automatically void when we ratified it, which is found under article 2, section d. Although Article 11 doesn't define an armed attack as attacking a foreign ambassador, the government of United Jakinia does. In this specific case, the SNRP has attacked a Jakanian diplomat. A few courses of action could happen... 1) The government of United Jakania declares that the SNRP is a terrorist party and declares war against them coupled with permission of the government of Solentia to have permission to attack. 2) Declaration of war against Solentia with limited war focus 3) Declaration of war against Solentia with total war, use of nuclear weapons, and other WMD's to be used. 4) Covert operations to assassinate/kidnap some select members of the SNRP 5) Economic sanctions, depends on the legislature to depend on how harsh it is, could use the military to blockade Solentian trade. 6) The SNRP takes immediate steps to control themselves when foreign diplomats come, and not attack them. You are still entitled to your position of isolation, and we respect that but not the physical attacking. Mind you, the first three options are our last resorts. If it comes down those options, your nation would never have ever wished for it. We control a huge military, which is used in defense against war-mongering Deltaria. |
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Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:10:14, November 01, 2007 CET | From | Birleşik Demokrat Parti | To | Debating the George Falco attacked in Solentia (To be Archeived) |
| Message | 6) The SNRP takes immediate steps to control themselves when foreign diplomats come, and not attack them. You are still entitled to your position of isolation, and we respect that but not the physical attacking. |
| Date | 18:55:57, November 01, 2007 CET | From | Jakanian Imperial Party | To | Debating the George Falco attacked in Solentia (To be Archeived) |
| Message | Option 6 in the Foreign Ministry's preferred option. We real still rationally minded folk still. |
| Date | 20:37:00, November 01, 2007 CET | From | United Democrats of Jakania | To | Debating the George Falco attacked in Solentia (To be Archeived) |
| Message | I'm generally at the will of the Council, I can agree with just about any of these OTHER than options 2-5 Ok, I guess the only I agree with are options 1 and 6 |
| Date | 20:54:12, November 01, 2007 CET | From | Jakanian Imperial Party | To | Debating the George Falco attacked in Solentia (To be Archeived) |
| Message | George Falco, We know that options 2-5 are very serious punishments. They will never by used, hopefully. Unless they used WMDs on us. Option 1 is sorta compliacated and probably will never pursue it. The official stance of my Foreign Ministry Department is option 6. We will be unshakeable in that view. |
| Date | 02:37:50, November 02, 2007 CET | From | World Wrestling Federation | To | Debating the George Falco attacked in Solentia (To be Archeived) |
| Message | Lets not declare war until all diplomatic avenues have been exhausted. We've calculated that a military exercise against Solentia would be costly, and there would be a great risk of collateral damage to those in support of Jakania within their borders. |
| Date | 05:19:43, November 02, 2007 CET | From | Jakanian Imperial Party | To | Debating the George Falco attacked in Solentia (To be Archeived) |
| Message | We are pretty sure of that right now. We have plenty of support within Solentia, so a military invasion is NOT endorsed not now, nor in the future. As the WWF has stated, the collateral damage would harm us in the long run, especially when a party physically punched our Foreign Minister. They punched, Mr. Falco forgave, we suggest that the SNRP doesn't do it again, situation done and over with. |
| Date | 11:50:22, November 02, 2007 CET | From | United Democrats of Jakania | To | Debating the George Falco attacked in Solentia (To be Archeived) |
| Message | So long as they apologize to you, and our nation as awhole |
| Date | 16:10:38, November 02, 2007 CET | From |  Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the George Falco attacked in Solentia (To be Archeived) |
| Message | ooc: Great stuff so far, and thanks. I offer a thousandfold apologies for grammar and spelling errors. My mind was in a couple of places at the time. :) Transcript of SRNP Chairwoman's testimony before the Solentian Senate: Debating the Expulsion of George Falco Message RadNat Leadership has advised it's party members not to enter the senate chamber. This is not an apology, but the matter has been handled, and SRNP leadership had nothing to do with it in the first place. We suggest Janakians continue to avoid putting their nose in our own political matters, and we encourage other political parties to take follow the example of the Communists in this matter and stand up for Solentian sovreignty. As I stand here, I think we should appreciate the real danger of the Jakin populace freeloading off of us. Immigrants, same old story. We do nothing. I have a list here in my hand, of hundreds of Jakinis living and working in our Motherland today, living quite well in fact, taking jobs that belong to our own people. I will of course be providing a list of these people and their addresses at public locations across the nation and people can do with it what they will. I wash my hands of that. But the thing is this, and if the Senators gathered here do not understand it, than the out of work, the poor, the angry, they will get it; you've allowed ourselves to get in a treaty organization that COULD potentially protect Jews in Beiteynu. Jews! If anything we should help our beleagured brethren in Pontesi. But already I can see that the majority of you will kow tow to foreign potentates. I can only voice my concern. I can do no other. We, the SRNP do not advocate illegal violence. Some who wear the olive band get passionate, and frankly I can understand why. I admonish them, and those involved in this incident had their membership removed and they are, of course, in the hands of our justice system. The incident was regretable, but it's time to move on. God Bless. Holy Reverend Mother Hilda Wessex Party Leader, SRNP |
| Date | 21:14:38, November 02, 2007 CET | From | Jakanian Imperial Party | To | Debating the George Falco attacked in Solentia (To be Archeived) |
| Message | Voting to be sent to the records for storage so it doesn't clutter the bill proposed area. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 242 | ||||||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 8 |
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