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Bill: Anderson Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Calvinist Unionist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2101
Description[?]:
| In light of the recent shooting at a Utagian School( http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewnews.php?newsid=5360 ), we believe that our defence system isn't strong enough. It's not the anti-gun legislation that's lacking, it's the ENFORCERS of that legislation. If we give our men and women in blue the ability to stop Gun Smugglers, against whom non-lethal weapons have no affect, then this incident need never happen again. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The weapons used by police forces.
Old value:: Police officers may only carry non-lethal weapons.
Current: Police officers carry standard firearms.
Proposed: Police officers carry standard firearms.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:21:38, August 23, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | If there are guns, there will be deaths at the other ends of them. and just because you give the guns to police, doesn't change the fact that they are not going to stay in policemen's hands: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/03/22/school.shooting/ another school shooting. 5 dead. the fun part was that the gun belonged to his grandfather: a policeman. i don't care who they belong to: if we want guns off the streets, we have to take them off the streets. period. |
| Date | 00:30:42, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | How else can we STOP the gun-smugglers? Do you think our tasers can take down their .50 Calibur Machine Guns? Do you think our batons can take down their RPG's? |
| Date | 13:41:10, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | While I'd prefer non-lethal wapons, standard fire-arms is a better option than military standard fire-arms or using the military. |
| Date | 17:14:29, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Union for a Socialist Democracy | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | Perhaps it is necessary for police officers to have the upper hand in operations; they certainly should never be under-armed. The USD supports this. |
| Date | 00:15:37, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | We'd ALL prefer non-lethal weapons. If only humanity was civilised and peaceful. However, there are those that wish harm to our great nation, and they are numerous and well-armed. To stop them, we must at least give our men-in-blue something with which to level the playing field. We are not suggesting SMG's, or using Rocket Launchers. We are suggesting using low-calibur pistols, with the occasional shotgun and sniper thrown in in EXTREME circumstances(I.E. heavily-armed terrorists assault a bank). |
| Date | 00:45:01, August 25, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | you give the cops guns, and the criminals get something better. it's an arms race that will never end. we might as well keep it at the low level, where there are the fewest casualties |
| Date | 02:02:42, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | So you'd rather our cops get massacred on a daily basis? The criminals are ALREADY as well armed as our own military. I don't think giving our police six-shooters will cause the end of the Commonwealth. |
| Date | 07:48:22, August 25, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | if every average drug store robber was as heavily armed as the military, the crime rates would be much higher than they are now. face it: there are always going to be crimes, anything from a jealous lover stabbing with a pair of sissors to five guys dragging a girl into a back alley. let's not put more guns on the streets for them to get their hands on, ok? if we allow any guns into the country, even under the excuse of 'it's for the cops', it just makes it that much easier for the black market to smuggle them in. |
| Date | 10:32:42, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | I am supporting this for one simple reason: it is going to be a long three years. |
| Date | 13:59:04, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | I didn't say every drug store robber. I said Gun-smugglers and the like(I.E. Terrorists). And how are we to combat them, eh? Send in the army? Sure, that might work once or twice, but our army is too small and underfunded to be able to combat all these things. If we give our police at least weak firearms, they'll stand a better chance. But jumping in front of a terrorist armed with an AK-47, has body armor, and has a few grenades and shooting a taser at them isn't my idea of a fair fight. |
| Date | 17:54:10, August 25, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | you are severly exaggerating the situation there are no hordes of terrorists with rocket launchers, grenades, and tanks sweeping over the border 24/7 there are guys in pickup trucks with a crate of pistols in the back driving over the border on a rural road in the middle of the night. your exaggerated misconceptions are no basis for dumping armloads of firearms in the streets. |
| Date | 22:36:08, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | You seriously fail to understand how powerful smugglers are, don't you? Sure, they may not have tanks and are enslaving the nation, but any smuggler learns quickly that if they don't have the right weapons, they aren't going to make it long in the business, either because the Cops will take them down with tasers(which would be REALLY embarrasing) or they would be shot to pieces by their opponents(Which would hurt. Alot.) Notice that I am NOT giving them military-grade weaponry. I am giving them what police all over the world use. So what if there are, say, 3 accidental deaths? That is a small price to pay for the saftey of millions more. That may sound harsh, but we as a government have to protect ALL of the people. And NFP, your philosophy that "If our police don't have guns, then no one has guns." Is seriously flawed. In fact, seeing how the Police would be greatly weakened, the criminals would probably resort to using MORE guns. If the world was perfect, then we would not be having this discussion, we would be talking about how nice the weather is or something. However, humanity is NOT perfect, and there will always be those who want to do us harm, and have the ability to do so. |
| Date | 22:37:01, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | (I just read my statement again, and the third paragraph that begins with "Notice that...", it seems like I am talking about giving smugglers weapons. I meant the police =P) |
| Date | 04:45:40, August 26, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Anderson Act |
| Message | "there will always be those who want to do us harm, and have the ability to do so." and that excuses us to do the same? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 253 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 165 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 182 |
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