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Bill: Welfare Act 1
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Authoritarian Movement
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2487
Description[?]:
| Since the government seems to be inactive, we have to mage suggestions on our own. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Current: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Proposed: There is a compulsory private pension system.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The professional retirement age.
Old value:: 60
Current: 60
Proposed: 65
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:13:38, November 13, 2007 CET | From | Irish Party | To | Debating the Welfare Act 1 |
| Message | We agree. |
| Date | 06:06:15, November 14, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Welfare Act 1 |
| Message | "1: The current system is fine, as it does not allow for welfare dependency and encourages individual responsibility. 2: Forcing people to spend their own money on private enterprise? That defeats the purpose of having a private system. 3: Irrelevant as there's no public system" |
| Date | 08:48:26, November 14, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the Welfare Act 1 |
| Message | No, forcing them to spend their money on a pension system will prevent poverty when getting old. Otherwise the state has to pay the minimal income. |
| Date | 06:51:02, November 15, 2007 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Welfare Act 1 |
| Message | "Flawed. If we keep the minimum income to a time frame, giving the receiver a chance to find a source of income, we won't have to force anyone to do anything. If they know that if they don't find income soon, their dependency on government welfare will be cut, I'd say they'd find a source of income pretty fast." |
| Date | 07:07:46, November 15, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the Welfare Act 1 |
| Message | Well, that's not a bad argument at all. We already knew this, Anyway, we think there are situations, where anybody may exceeds the period without finding a new job. This fits especially to old and ill people. Without any state support, they may hve to die. We have to choose between a kind of darwinism which is easy to pay, or a complex system, which is expensive, but ensures the life of any single citizen. It's not an easy decision at all, but we chose the second option. |
| Date | 20:14:00, November 15, 2007 CET | From | National Authoritarian Movement | To | Debating the Welfare Act 1 |
| Message | We removed proposal 3 in the hope to get more support now. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 150 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 197 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 54 |
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