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Bill: Service to the Nation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Calvinist Unionist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2101
Description[?]:
| In many countries such as ours that have a small population, adults are required to help their nation somewhat. While this is forced upon them, we believe that they should have a choice in HOW they help our country. They could, if they wanted, join the military, where they would defend our great nation, or they could do civilian national service, where they would help the elderly, do community work, and help make the homeland prosper. This only lasts a small amount of time, and once they come out of it, they will be better prepared for their lives. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:42:38, August 24, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | no way. the armed forces exists to ensure the freedoms of our citizens, not to take them away. our people are free to spend their lives the way they want. you talk about service to our nation? i think curing a disease after medical school is a better service to the nation than basic training. |
| Date | 00:49:29, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | They can CHOOSE between military and CIVILIAN service. This has worked in many countries(OOC: IRL, Germany, Norway, and alot of other European countries). The civilian service just means serving the nation in non-militaristic ways. That could mean working on a cure for a disease on a government project, building homes for the poor, etc. And it is a very short term, no longer than a year. They are also paid for their time, they build character, and get a good fuzzy feeling inside when they see a family move into the home they worked so hard to make. |
| Date | 00:50:21, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | In other words, read before you lash out and say "OMFG! j00 r t3h army-n00b!111!1!11!!!!!" |
| Date | 00:52:22, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | And ANOTHER thing. These people will get their first experience of the REAL world. Not the sheltered lives they lived during school, but the realities of life. This few-months-to-a-year will help them prepare for life, get an idea of what actually having a job is like. It's like "The Real World 101". And they get a job, too. How many people get a stable job after they come out of Higher Education? |
| Date | 11:21:59, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Union for a Socialist Democracy | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | As a European, a Scot who has spent a lot of time on the continent, I may well be the only one who knows people that have had to undertake national service. While older people look back on it as fine, it is a serious hindrance to their lives and education. Furthermore, it is expensive, with little recompense to the State for that expense. |
| Date | 11:56:13, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | Where is the IRL? |
| Date | 12:17:48, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Union for a Socialist Democracy | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | IRL: Ooops. I apologise. This will be an intrusion of the state into daily life. This is involuntary servitude. |
| Date | 13:47:41, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | NFP and USD: While I am also against this, we might need GoL's support against some of the more extreme of DUP's policies during their short stay in power. |
| Date | 17:11:00, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Union for a Socialist Democracy | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | Indeed. A grand coalition so that we may protect the Commonwealth during this period where civil rights, especially those of the minority, are threatened, may well be necessary. Perhaps, as the civilian service option is retained, the USD may be able to support this. It apologises for its remarks of condemnation to the GoL, which were unconsidered and needlessly dismissive. The USD is open to this idea. |
| Date | 20:16:02, August 24, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | I will not bargain away my beliefs. i am against this, and will always be, no matter what the politics of the time. i will not vote for something that i do not believe in. |
| Date | 02:00:57, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | Then do not vote for it. Personally, I think building homes for the poor, feeding the unemployed, and taking care of the elderly are all very valuable lines of work, but seeing how you'd rather our citizens sit around their basements smoking Cocaine all day... |
| Date | 07:39:27, August 25, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | since when has the army built homes for the poor? people have two options when they leave school: do something with your life, or join the military. this option cuts it down to one: join the military. and please, knock off the 'NFP is a bunch of druggies' bullshit. we don't advocate drug use. we advocate thinking for yourself. if you're stupid enough to put that shit in your body, it's no more than you deserve, as far as i'm concerned. but that's your decision, and those are your consequences. |
| Date | 10:04:14, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Union for a Socialist Democracy | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | I think that GoL is referring to the civilian service option. Frankly, I think that drugs has nothing to do with it. |
| Date | 10:38:55, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | "Smoking cocaine" :D cocaine is the white powder, it isn't smoked! I'm also going against this, not that I make much difference at the moment. |
| Date | 13:54:50, August 25, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | Seosavists: I've known plenty of people who have tried to smoke cocaine >_> <_<. |
| Date | 04:44:08, August 26, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Service to the Nation |
| Message | USD: of course drugs has nothing to do with it. the GoL just likes to point out that we enjoy giving people their freedoms in all matters, even those which are not good for them. the GoL seems to think that since we at the NFP prefer to allow people to make up their own minds about drugs, that we must all be a bunch of drug addicts. he likes to call us addicts every time we disagree with him. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 253 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 165 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 182 |
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