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Bill: Gated Communities Act 2100
Details
Submitted by[?]: Nationalist Freedom Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2101
Description[?]:
| A proposal to allow for gated communities. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning gated communities.
Old value:: No gated communities are allowed.
Current: Both the government and the private sector can set up gated communities.
Proposed: The private sector can set up gated communities.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:24:32, August 24, 2005 CET | From |  Nationalist Freedom Party | To | Debating the Gated Communities Act 2100 |
| Message | This refers to the likes of Luxury Appartment buildings in the suburbs with car parking for residents etc. Surely, its understandable that in order to protect their car parking spaces and also for securtiy and privacy, gating should be allowed. I beleiebv that it is important for some industries, such as chemical and research industries to have gating for security reasons. Also, government building etc. should be allowed to have gating for security reasons. |
| Date | 02:11:54, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran People's Party | To | Debating the Gated Communities Act 2100 |
| Message | the second two examples, I believe, don't involve gated communities. The first one does however. I disagree with the bill. I'll explain later after I regain my mental speed. |
| Date | 05:29:58, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran National Party | To | Debating the Gated Communities Act 2100 |
| Message | I see no reason not to allow gated communities. Unless the KPP can convince me otherwise, I'll be voting for this bill. |
| Date | 05:54:32, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran People's Party | To | Debating the Gated Communities Act 2100 |
| Message | Let it be known, I was the first person to move towards legalizing Gated Communities, and I did it for the exact reason KNP specified. However, SHP opposed it and I couldn't figure out why until I looked up "gated communities" on Google. Here's a little of what I found: "Many sociologists bemoan the growing popularity of gated communities. They say they're exclusionary, elitist and anti-social. Most of that criticism targets the wealthy. But the new data suggest that a desire for such separation exists among all economic classes." -This means legalizing GC's would create class divisions and thus reinforce class warfare because people of certain classes will be grouped together isolated from interaction with others in their home lives. "The health of neighborhoods depends on contact between people of all incomes and races, he says. When lower-income people wall themselves from people who are poorer, Lang says, there is less chance that the surrounding area will improve. "You create enclaves of stability in seas of decay," he says. "That's worrisome."" - This means areas outside of special GC's will deteriorate until only those within these separated communities will be provided sufficient housing. "Gated communities are anathema to civic life," he says. "What they do is isolate individual neighborhoods from each other and from the public realm. But the perception was that the marketplace wouldn't support a new housing development unless it had the security of gates." - Interpret viewpoint at will. The three above criticisms come from this article: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-12-15-gated-usat_x.htm Here's an essay by a Fullbright Scholar on how GC's can parcel cities: http://www.international.ucla.edu/article.asp?parentid=4664 Paranoid perspective in case anyone thought government GC's would work as well: http://www.parascope.com/articles/0797/gated.htm Is that enough? I can look deeper. I am strongly opposed to gated communities for Kanjor. They will only serve to divide the people and bring decay to our cities. Two of these articles stipulate that GC's don't even provide actual protection for their inhabitants. |
| Date | 11:00:49, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Secular Humanist Party | To | Debating the Gated Communities Act 2100 |
| Message | KPP explained perfectly my ideas. Building fences and closed communities is the opposite of the open society we want to build and are both cause and consequence of a climate of fear. |
| Date | 11:54:05, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Nationalist Freedom Party | To | Debating the Gated Communities Act 2100 |
| Message | But this bill refers to Private companies. If a Private company whishes to build luxury apprtments or houses on the outskirts of the city, I see no reason why these shouldn't be gated. Are you saying that if someone pays lets say 800,000Euro for a four-bed house ona golf-course in the suburbs, that this area should not have gating? - That anyone should simply be allowed to drive in and park their car on this persons drive way or that any hippy is allowed to walk in and pitch a tent on the golf course - come on people! - I'm not talking about government backed ethnic cleasnsing here! - I'm talking about Private Companies being allowed to keep Private ~Housing estates or Private Appartment blocks - Private! |
| Date | 13:50:20, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran People's Party | To | Debating the Gated Communities Act 2100 |
| Message | Please KNP consider the articles I posted. Clearly they show reason enough not to pass this bill. |
| Date | 18:58:41, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran National Party | To | Debating the Gated Communities Act 2100 |
| Message | Well, the very proposal is unclear as to what this bill actually does. Does it extend to actual communities, many of which, in the suburbs, are constructed by private development firms? Or does it simply extend to the property of private businesses? However, NFP, both examples you give are irrelevant as they both constitute trespassing which is a crime to begin with. If someone could clear this up for me, I'd appreciate it. |
| Date | 18:59:48, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran National Party | To | Debating the Gated Communities Act 2100 |
| Message | Until someone can explain the actual proposal, my vote will remain nay. |
| Date | 22:20:19, August 24, 2005 CET | From | Kanjoran People's Party | To | Debating the Gated Communities Act 2100 |
| Message | Gated communities is referring to "neighborhoods" or developments constructed by (in this case) private companies which are surrounded by gating and often security enterances and video surveillance. PS- "yeah I just talked to Wouter(admin) and he said that the term Gated Communitiy has nothing to do with prisons or military housing" - RDP of the Aldurian Republic in their debates over gated communities. So that should clear up a little of what isn't a GC in this game. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 108 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 331 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 1 |
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